LMFAO! I had a feeling he was conservative. It don’t know about a terrible shot, he got damn close but if his school had a shooting club he was probably still better than someone untrained but could still be bad enough not to make the team. Like when I got cut from golf, a no cut sport, half way through the first day
He’s a bad shot because anyone with any bit of training or even youtube experience knows to aim center mass. More chance of hitting. I picked up shooting for sport in 2017 and can hit center mass with iron sites at the distance this kid was. With my cheapo scope, I can hit out to 300 yards.
He tried lolz x-gamer headshot and failed miserably.
He had a lot of shots, at least three, so I’m not even sure he aimed at the head. If the story about the policeman distracting him is true, it means a boy on adrenalin tried his best to keep his aim straight in a hurry. I believe hitting Trump at all was an accident.
Absolutely it could. Vest or no vest, I don’t want to get shot. But “aim for center of mass” is only the rule of thumb when the center of mass is unprotected. Otherwise, it becomes “aim for the material specifically designed to stop bullets” which is not a great rule of thumb.
It also depends on the bullet and rifle, I kinda doubt there are many bullet proof vests that can br qord under clothes that can hold up against a .308.
But im gonna hazard a guess that some 20 year old trying to do an assassination was probably using an AR-15 chambered in 5.56. Which I would coin flip on if the vest could handle it or not.
I believe their entire suit is probably lined for events like this.
Edit: so people stop with the dumb ‘scifi isn’t real’ BS about body armor, I was merely stating that there is definitely a possibility that he could be wearing small arms rated Kevlar under his suit, or have it sewn into his ridiculously oversized suit, and be wearing higher caliber plates protecting his center mass.
It isn’t unreasonable to think this, and it could make sense to take a headshot if you suspected the possibility of something like this, over going for the one shot chance of a center mass hit to kill your target.
Sure, I could have worded it better, but he COULD have small arms sewn into that terrible suit, and he COULD be wearing plates protecting his center mass.
… I’m not a foremost expert of anything, but I regularly work with some of this stuff. Nothing highly advanced or obscenely expensive, but enough to know that he could absolutely be wearing something that would make, at least, handguns to the center mass ineffective. Having not seen the guy naked and not knowing what his chest looks like under his oversized suit… I couldn’t tell you exactly, especially since I’m normally and regularly not interested in what protection he’s wearing, if or if he isn’t wearing a vest with a higher caliber plate.
It’s not ‘sewn’ in shit, scifi or bad story writing, armor I’m talking about. Do you really think the president of the US can’t have small arms rated Kevlar in his oversized suit, and a vest with a plate on underneath? He’s fat enough, and his suit is ill fitted enough, as it is, you wouldn’t even noticed.
Nothing that would line a suit and still have it look anything like a suit wouldn’t protect against anything worth being protected against. A bulletproof vest isn’t magic armor that makes you invulnerable. A shot from anything realistic would easily break multiple bones and cause internal damage. And that’s with the bullet stopping at the vest.
No one said armor prevents any damage at all,
You’re pulling that out of your ass. In fact other posts in this thread are talking about how even without penetration, the distributed force from armor stopping a bullet could still be fatal for a 70+ year old.
Back on the actual topic, Hacksmith made a bespoke suit that could stop small arms with publicly accessible materials for $100k. And all of their testing was at pretty close range.
It is not infeasible for a former President and current candidate’s suit used during outdoor public events like this to have some sort of material to mitigate embedded in it, even if it isn’t obviously won’t provide the same protection as full armor. Every little bit helps.
Have you opened up standard Kevlar body armor and seen the Kevlar pieces? It’s entirely feasible to put those same pieces in his oversized suits. Obviously, those are for small arms. For his center mass they’d put higher caliber protective plates, as well.
People act like a bulletproof vest/suit is outlandish when we’re talking about a guy who has a bulletproof car and like 25 snipers watching his back lol. When he was president he had anti aircraft guns on the roof of his house. The secret service takes their job really seriously.
I’m perplexed by the lack of a scope. I honestly think it was a machismo move. Wanted to try n headshot him with iron sights so people would talk about it or whatever. Maybe it was all he had, but I doubt it. There are articles saying he was a member at a local range and practiced there all the time. I’m sure he owned a scope. Maybe he didn’t think he’d have time to line up a shot with a scope? Idk, it was just weird.
In this context, young men with mental health issues are the exact kinds of people to fall down the alt-right propaganda pipeline that the social media grifters are spewing, most commonly.
In my opinion though, his political affiliation is more important in the sense that it gives the copycat shooters and cultists less justification for the uptick we’ll see in the coming weeks of attempted assassinations, death threats, and mass shootings (especially against democrats and minorities), though that’s never stopped them before.
Straight to finger pointing, classic. Yes, let’s figure out what political party the mentally ill child belonged too so we can blame it on that sides politics. Lol
LMFAO! I had a feeling he was conservative. It don’t know about a terrible shot, he got damn close but if his school had a shooting club he was probably still better than someone untrained but could still be bad enough not to make the team. Like when I got cut from golf, a no cut sport, half way through the first day
He’s a bad shot because anyone with any bit of training or even youtube experience knows to aim center mass. More chance of hitting. I picked up shooting for sport in 2017 and can hit center mass with iron sites at the distance this kid was. With my cheapo scope, I can hit out to 300 yards.
He tried lolz x-gamer headshot and failed miserably.
Maybe he did aim for the center…
And that would be even worse for a stationary target.
He had a lot of shots, at least three, so I’m not even sure he aimed at the head. If the story about the policeman distracting him is true, it means a boy on adrenalin tried his best to keep his aim straight in a hurry. I believe hitting Trump at all was an accident.
Trump was almost certainly wearing a vest
A hit to a vest definitely has a real chance to kill him. Vests distribute the impact, but they’re still massive chest trauma for a 70-something dude.
Absolutely it could. Vest or no vest, I don’t want to get shot. But “aim for center of mass” is only the rule of thumb when the center of mass is unprotected. Otherwise, it becomes “aim for the material specifically designed to stop bullets” which is not a great rule of thumb.
It also depends on the bullet and rifle, I kinda doubt there are many bullet proof vests that can br qord under clothes that can hold up against a .308.
But im gonna hazard a guess that some 20 year old trying to do an assassination was probably using an AR-15 chambered in 5.56. Which I would coin flip on if the vest could handle it or not.
No way would USSS be able to get his fat ass to wear a vest consistently, let alone the plates needed to stop a rifle round. In this heat?
Though I’m sure now he may reconsider, or be forced to.
Like all bullies, trump is a coward. Wouldn’t blow my mind if he wore a vest before he even ran for president.
I believe their entire suit is probably lined for events like this.
Edit: so people stop with the dumb ‘scifi isn’t real’ BS about body armor, I was merely stating that there is definitely a possibility that he could be wearing small arms rated Kevlar under his suit, or have it sewn into his ridiculously oversized suit, and be wearing higher caliber plates protecting his center mass.
It isn’t unreasonable to think this, and it could make sense to take a headshot if you suspected the possibility of something like this, over going for the one shot chance of a center mass hit to kill your target.
Sure, I could have worded it better, but he COULD have small arms sewn into that terrible suit, and he COULD be wearing plates protecting his center mass.
There is no bulletproof tuxedo like in the movies. There is 5.56 ammo that will go through any soft armor.
… I’m not a foremost expert of anything, but I regularly work with some of this stuff. Nothing highly advanced or obscenely expensive, but enough to know that he could absolutely be wearing something that would make, at least, handguns to the center mass ineffective. Having not seen the guy naked and not knowing what his chest looks like under his oversized suit… I couldn’t tell you exactly, especially since I’m normally and regularly not interested in what protection he’s wearing, if or if he isn’t wearing a vest with a higher caliber plate.
It’s not ‘sewn’ in shit, scifi or bad story writing, armor I’m talking about. Do you really think the president of the US can’t have small arms rated Kevlar in his oversized suit, and a vest with a plate on underneath? He’s fat enough, and his suit is ill fitted enough, as it is, you wouldn’t even noticed.
Nothing that would line a suit and still have it look anything like a suit wouldn’t protect against anything worth being protected against. A bulletproof vest isn’t magic armor that makes you invulnerable. A shot from anything realistic would easily break multiple bones and cause internal damage. And that’s with the bullet stopping at the vest.
That seems marginally better than getting shot with no protection at all. It wouldn’t blow my mind if they had some sort of protection on him.
No one said armor prevents any damage at all,
You’re pulling that out of your ass. In fact other posts in this thread are talking about how even without penetration, the distributed force from armor stopping a bullet could still be fatal for a 70+ year old.
Back on the actual topic, Hacksmith made a bespoke suit that could stop small arms with publicly accessible materials for $100k. And all of their testing was at pretty close range.
It is not infeasible for a former President and current candidate’s suit used during outdoor public events like this to have some sort of material to mitigate embedded in it, even if it isn’t obviously won’t provide the same protection as full armor. Every little bit helps.
Lined with what? As far as I’ve seen that’s not really feasible with current materials.
Have you seen Trump’s suits? Dude could be wearing half inch plate under that monstrosity.
Have you opened up standard Kevlar body armor and seen the Kevlar pieces? It’s entirely feasible to put those same pieces in his oversized suits. Obviously, those are for small arms. For his center mass they’d put higher caliber protective plates, as well.
People act like a bulletproof vest/suit is outlandish when we’re talking about a guy who has a bulletproof car and like 25 snipers watching his back lol. When he was president he had anti aircraft guns on the roof of his house. The secret service takes their job really seriously.
I’m perplexed by the lack of a scope. I honestly think it was a machismo move. Wanted to try n headshot him with iron sights so people would talk about it or whatever. Maybe it was all he had, but I doubt it. There are articles saying he was a member at a local range and practiced there all the time. I’m sure he owned a scope. Maybe he didn’t think he’d have time to line up a shot with a scope? Idk, it was just weird.
What merit is a person’s political affiliations if they’re mentally ill?
In this context, young men with mental health issues are the exact kinds of people to fall down the alt-right propaganda pipeline that the social media grifters are spewing, most commonly.
In my opinion though, his political affiliation is more important in the sense that it gives the copycat shooters and cultists less justification for the uptick we’ll see in the coming weeks of attempted assassinations, death threats, and mass shootings (especially against democrats and minorities), though that’s never stopped them before.
I’m very glad LGBTQ* Pride was last month.
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Actually, super relevant. It shoots down (pun intended) any attempt to blame this on Dems.
Straight to finger pointing, classic. Yes, let’s figure out what political party the mentally ill child belonged too so we can blame it on that sides politics. Lol
They specifically said it was to refute those claims, not use them as a weapon.