The west of Ukraine has a choice to work with Russia to resolve this or to wait for Russia to win militarily and dictate terms. I’m still not sure what part of this you’re struggling with.
Now, Russia has put out another peace deal based on the realities on the ground today. The west immediately rejected it again. Yet, it turns out that it’s Putin who is willing to kill millions instead of using basic diplomacy. Interesting logic you’ve got going there.
I guess we have to disagree then. To me making an offer you know does not stand a chance is not basic diplomacy. Threatening to murder the person you “want” to negotiate with is also not basic diplomacy IMHO.
But I guess I could try the Russian school of diplomacy the next time I want to ask for a raise. I’m not sure taking a shit in front of my boss’ office and loudly proclaim I will beat him until I get a 1000% raise will be a great way to start the negotiations, but you’ve actually convinced me to give it a try.
It’s pretty clear that Ukraine was close to taking the original offer before Bojo was rushed in to sabotage it. It’s also clear that the only reason war is continuing is because of the west.
The question you should ask yourself at the end of all this is what the west managed to achieve. Russia will win the war, Ukraine will be forced to accept far worse terms than are currently on the table. In that time many more people will die and have their lives ruined. I guess people like you think this a good outcome.
The war is continuing because Putin is continuing it. He could stop it tomorrow. He does not. Because he does not care how many million Russians or Ukrainians die. He simply does not care.
Anything else is just victim blaming and treating Ukrainians like little children who could not possibly have an opinion of their own.
Now that I think of it, is it maybe some kind of projection? Russians can’t go to the toilet without first being told by the glorious leader what he thinks about it, so clearly Ukrainians must be the same?
The west of Ukraine has a choice to work with Russia to resolve this or to wait for Russia to win militarily and dictate terms. I’m still not sure what part of this you’re struggling with.
I’m struggling with Putin willing to kill millions instead of using basic diplomacy.
Putin is using basic diplomacy, and has been trying to do that for 8 whole years before the war started. That’s what Minsk agreements were about. Then two months into the war Russia almost had a deal with Ukraine that the west tanked. Even NYT has publicly admitted to this https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html
Now, Russia has put out another peace deal based on the realities on the ground today. The west immediately rejected it again. Yet, it turns out that it’s Putin who is willing to kill millions instead of using basic diplomacy. Interesting logic you’ve got going there.
I guess we have to disagree then. To me making an offer you know does not stand a chance is not basic diplomacy. Threatening to murder the person you “want” to negotiate with is also not basic diplomacy IMHO.
But I guess I could try the Russian school of diplomacy the next time I want to ask for a raise. I’m not sure taking a shit in front of my boss’ office and loudly proclaim I will beat him until I get a 1000% raise will be a great way to start the negotiations, but you’ve actually convinced me to give it a try.
It’s pretty clear that Ukraine was close to taking the original offer before Bojo was rushed in to sabotage it. It’s also clear that the only reason war is continuing is because of the west.
The question you should ask yourself at the end of all this is what the west managed to achieve. Russia will win the war, Ukraine will be forced to accept far worse terms than are currently on the table. In that time many more people will die and have their lives ruined. I guess people like you think this a good outcome.
The war is continuing because Putin is continuing it. He could stop it tomorrow. He does not. Because he does not care how many million Russians or Ukrainians die. He simply does not care.
Anything else is just victim blaming and treating Ukrainians like little children who could not possibly have an opinion of their own.
Now that I think of it, is it maybe some kind of projection? Russians can’t go to the toilet without first being told by the glorious leader what he thinks about it, so clearly Ukrainians must be the same?
You can keep repeating this as much as you like, but that won’t change reality.
Of course it does not change reality. Why would you even think that?
Do you often have the feeling that writing changes reality?
Putin chooses the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians regardless of what you or I write.
Takes two to tango, but I guess this is too complex of a concept for you to wrap your head around.