Yo chill dude, I’m 32. I’m allowed to want something that doesn’t exist, I’m literally the one that said it doesn’t exist. And I do accept there’s no better solution, that was the point of my original message. There is no alternative to Google Maps. Sure I could go get TomTom or Garmin but then I’m just paying for an equivalent Google Maps experience. Which would just be me spending money for no reason, I have had a Garmin in the past it’s a good GPS but I wouldn’t say it’s better than Google Maps so I don’t feel it’s worth the money.

It’s also just another closed Garden system that has many of the same problems as Google Maps that I’m trying to get away from. Just because I have a desire for something better does not make me a child.

I’m not even going to bother addressing that insanely leap of logic you made to somehow compare this to voting and fascism

Let me rephrase, I’m desperate for a more open, not garden locked solution. Paying for Garmin and tomtom is just paying for a different corporation locked solution.

It’s the same way I’m desperate for a replacement for Plex. But the closest thing, jellyfin, is terrible. It fails to match media, fails to play back certain files, and a bunch of other issues that Plex just does not have. Despite that I have donated to the project, I want to get away from plex and support something open. I want to get away from Google and support something open. But I need to be able to have a minimum amount of functionality.

It’s really not. Not usable ones. I’ve tried so many open map Alternatives and they suck. Wildly outdated, streets that don’t exist anymore, streets that do exist not on the map, nonsensical directions, extremely poor voice navigation directions, not knowing about tons of addresses so even if I just give it the raw address it still can’t find it and I have to basically go find the address on Google and then manually place a pain in the open map.

I’m not even in a weird place, this is just around Washington State mostly between Everett and Tacoma. The answer I always get is “oh well if you see something wrong submit a correction”. Ignoring the fact that that is wildly unhelpful if I’m somewhere new and don’t know where I’m going, if I had the time to sit there and build Maps I would just build my own God damn map.

Would desperately love to replace Google Maps for my navigation, especially lately but nothing else even comes close

Also we do have the ability to re-utilize waste in different types of reactors until it is essentially entirely spent. There is a complete cycle available. Nobody talks about it though because you know, not as cost-effective

Owners manual says it’s behind some kinda grill on the x, at least that’s what’s coming up when I search for it

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Yes, but it’s hidden behind the speaker Grill rather than just right on the door handle all the other models also have some type of covering or otherwise have hidden it it seems only the model 3 decided to put it in a very obvious spot

You know what that’s entirely fair, looks like the M3 is the only not braindead design one then. I wouldn’t touch anything other than an M3 then personally (if i was going to use a tesla at all)

The rear is under a cover, I will agree that that is dumb it should be in the same place as the front. Or if the goal was to avoid children randomly pulling it while going down the road at the very least it shouldn’t be covered and just in the little pocket cubby thing. That’s a valid complaint, although at the end of the day even with a normal car a toddler who was in their seat would likely be screwed as the child lock would most likely be activated.

The real issue here is a lack of any external manual release, wouldn’t be that difficult to put one along the bottom side trim of the door. This would allow you to both give it a keyhole and have it out of the way aesthetically. I’d say just put a manual handle on myself, but if you absolutely must have completely smooth the hidden handle door at the very least make sure there’s an external one somewhere for manual release

If the toddler is locked into their seat they likely aren’t opening any door regardless. This Is Us ignoring the fact that most rear doors have a child lock button that is usually activated at least most parents I’ve seen with toddlers generally activate that button.

There are so many legitimate things to complain about here I’m just annoyed by people basically saying wow how does it not have a manual release, or why is it hidden. When it’s not.

The real problem here is the lack of any external manual release. Obviously it would still need to somehow be locked with a key that is not electronic, but there should still be some type of manual release even if it’s on the bottom trim of the door for the sake of your Aesthetics or whatever. The complete and utter lack of any external manual release is the problem here but nobody is talking about that and is instead just making shit up about how there is no manual release for the inside, or it’s hidden, or difficult to use, I’m just tired of people making shit up.

It is not hidden, covered, obfuscated, or even in a weird location. It’s literally sitting right on the door handle. Also even with a standard 1990 car with fully manual doors you are not going to be escaping out the doors if your car falls into water. The pressure differential of the water pushing against your door prevents you from opening it until the entire inside of the car has filled with water, MythBusters did a whole episode on this back in the day if you want to go find that for the full story. But the tldr is that once your car is in the water you’re only Escape options are to break the window, get the window rolled down, or wait until the entire car has filled with water and the pressure equalizes

Edit: turns out this is only in the M3, the Y, X, And CT are all designed by absolute idiots, and i joined them by not looking into all models

Easy enough to get out, if you have a couple braincells to rub together. The manual release is not hidden, covered, obfuscated, or even in a weird location. It’s literally right on the door handle

Edit: turns out this is only in the M3, the Y, X, And CT are all designed by absolute idiots, and i joined them by not looking into all models

It is, people are just stupid, can’t be bothered to read, or even wonder what that lever literally right on the door handle is for.

Edit: turns out this is only in the M3, the Y, X, And CT are all designed by absolute idiots, and i joined them by not looking into all models

She died of stupid, the release is literally right on the door. It’s not hidden, obfuscated, covered, or in any way shape or form difficult to use. Just another idiot that didn’t bother learning what all the controls on their new card did.

That being said, even with a manual release they most likely would have died anyway. As once your car is in the water unless you’re able to open the door basically instantaneously upon hitting the water you’re going to find that the door is impossible to open as the weight of the water will prevent it until such time as the car has filled with water to equalize the pressure. Generally speaking people that survive cars falling into water were able to get the window open, or just break it entirely. The door is almost never the Escape Route as it will not allow itself to be opened due to the difference in pressure

Edit: turns out this is only in the M3, the Y, X, And CT are all designed by absolute idiots, and i joined them by not looking into all models

Only takes about a half second Google search to find out, it’s literally a handle right on the door. Just above the window switches. It’s not hidden, obfuscated, covered, or even in a weird spot

Edit: turns out this is only in the M3, the Y, X, And CT are all designed by absolute idiots, and i joined them by not looking into all models

True, a toddler wouldn’t think to look directly on the door handle. Not really the type of place you’d expect to find a door release you know /s

There is a lot of reasons to hate elon, and there is a lot of reasons to hate tesla. But it really pisses me off when people just make these circle jerk hate threads based on something they didn’t even spend half a second Googling. It just makes all the legitimate issues easier for people to blow off

Edit: turns out this is only in the M3, the Y, X, And CT are all designed by absolute idiots, and i joined them by not looking into all models

Nothing about it is hidden, obfuscated, or even in a weird spot. It’s literally right on the fucking door handle. There’s a lot of reasons to hate elon, and there’s a lot of reasons to hate tesla. Let’s stick to the legitimate ones instead of making shit up, it just weakens the arguments for the actual issues

Edit: turns out this is only in the M3, the Y, X, And CT are all designed by absolute idiots, and i joined them by not looking into all models

It’s not fucking hidden, it’s right on the fucking door. Right there, in plain view. Fuck elon but equally fuck idiots who never read their manual or bother to learn fucking anything about a product then claim bullshit like that. Nothing about this is fucking hidden.

The rear doors also have one, that’s the only one you could argue is “hidden” as it’s in the little storage pocket area

Edit: turns out this is only in the M3, the Y, X, And CT are all designed by absolute idiots, and i joined them by not looking into all models

The problem here is that you think the only viable method to charge an electric vehicle is a level 2 or above charger. The average person, even in more rural areas, generally drives less than 60 miles in a day. Which is something that can be recouped overnight with a standard 15 amp outlet. And that’s assuming it’s only plugged in for 8 hours. Most people’s cars sit idle at home much longer than that. You don’t even need to go Fancy with a dryer Outlet much less a level2 charger.

Unless you’re somewhat remote area is over 200 mi from the nearest charger the majority of electric vehicles will get you there without you having to drive like a grandma. As many of them have somewhere on the order of 250 to 280 miles of range on a full charge now.