But he should also step down because he’s old.

No. He should step down because he’s lost the confidence of his party.

You have one set of standards for things Biden can change and another for things he can’t.

He SHOULD stop supporting the genocide, but that doesn’t look likely. He SHOULD step down, and that looks like it might plausibly happen.

Any genocide is a bad thing. Democrats should not be supporting it at all. Yet here we are.

Yeah. Here we are. And we have to deal with the situation at hand, not as we wish it to be.

lmao. So you don’t actually have anything and you’re talking out of your ass, because you hate it when it’s pointed out that more genocide is actually a bad thing. Cool. Good talk.

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lmao, and here I thought I was criticizing your view on how punishing Biden is more important than Palestinian lives, because punishing Biden makes you feel good, while fewer dead Palestinians don’t matter to you.

And the assumption that anyone who is critical at all of Biden’s support for the genocide must be a trumpist.

Oh, of course, you don’t SUPPORT a Trump presidency, you’re just interested in passively allowing it, and all the genocide that it entails. When we go in the camps, you’ll sit happy at home and muse on just how moral you’ve managed to be by fighting the Dem candidate at every turn.

You’re almost indistinguishable from the fascists that support him. Certainly indistinguishable in your disregard for Palestinian and American minority lives.

Since you can’t defend your advocacy for genocide any other way,

Me: “Israeli is a genocidal apartheid state, we should remove all aid.”

Clearly this is the position of a genocidal maniac.

But tell me more about how purity testing AOC, one of the leftmost and pro-Palestinian politicians in our legislature, is a GOOD thing for Palestine, Actually.

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You sound like the Popular Front of Iudea, now!

Still not sure what genocide in the US? Trans genocide? I don’t see the relevance here.

You don’t think genocide in the US is going to happen if the fascists get in power?

I’d like to get you on the record. Is that REALLY what you’re fucking saying?

Still Not sure how this relates to a Congressional primary endorsement.

As you yourself pointed out, the primary is over. I’m sorry you can’t seem to keep track of your own talking points. You should really work on that.

There is no fascist legislator that DSA is endorsing?

Again, I don’t know exactly what you think withdrawing support from an antifascist when the only opposition are literal fascists leads to?

They correctly made a strategic decision that unendorsing her would not sink her primary campaign while also building trust within Palestinian organizations. The kind of realpolitiks necessary for a political organization?

So, it’s an idealistic and moral choice, but also just realpolitik. It also, apparently, is about holding elected officials accountable, but also they have no influence over her election, and also are only doing it to build trust with Palestinian organizations (with no problematic views, I hope!). None of those positions contradict each other, luckily! I’m sure her enemies are also pathetically weak and simultaneously horrifically strong.

Wow. It’s astounding how many different positions you take to justify this purity-hunt dogshite.

Can’t help but notice you didn’t address what I said about the DSA’s importance or lack thereof by your own argument despite previously objecting. Instead you chose to return to previous points. I’m sure that’s because you had a very good answer and I was just misreading your very simple statements, and you just happened to forget, right?

We’re done here.

I wish DSA was important enough to swing more than a handful of local elections lol. She won her primary (against a fellow Democrat, by definition) with 80% of the vote. I say this with love, I don’t think you have any clue what you’re talking about? Even in the context of the general election, NY-14 is like +40 D. She’s still going to win.

No, I’m pretty sure I’m understanding this as saying the DSA is pointless in the matter of AOC’s election and re-election, which is why it’s okay that they’ve un-endorsed her, because it doesn’t actually hurt her. If that’s not what you’re saying, feel free to point out where I’m misunderstanding.

Okay, so we’re arguing from the presumption instead that the DSA is completely pointless in the matter of AOC’s election and re-election, is this correct? I want to make sure I’m understanding this correctly, because other posters in this very thread have arguing the literal opposite.

What exactly do you think happens when you are (supposedly) important enough to sway an election and pull support away from antifascist candidates for not being 100% in line with your views when the opposition is a literal fucking fascist party?

Like, this isn’t trigonometry.

Oh, of course, the DSA endorsing a fascist legislature is MUCH better and completely unrelated, my bad.

What exactly do you think is going to happen under a renewed Trump administration? Day one dictator, Project 2025, any of this ringing genocide bells?

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“Genocide is bad, but we have other things to worry about.” - Me, and the US offering vast amounts of Lend-Lease in WW2 to the Soviet Union despite their vast campaigns of ethnic cleansing.

Apparently, by contrast, your position is “Genocide is bad, so we should do everything we can to lose to the Nazis, who will genocide far more people than the Soviet Union. That will really show the fascists! They’ll be SO mad when they herd us into the gas chambers lol!”

Never again means never again.

Apparently, to purists like you, “Never again” means “If it happens anywhere, we should help it happen everywhere we can.” But hey, who cares about minorities in the US, and Ukrainians in Ukraine? Fuck 'em, right?

I can basically take your view, look at whatever the opposite of it is, and use that to predict the future.

lol