• 1 Post
  • 21 Comments
Joined 8 months ago
cake
Cake day: January 12th, 2024

help-circle


  • Israelis and Palestinians can’t coexist peacefully while Israel exists in its current state, as an ethnostate focused on settler colonialism. That’s like saying normal people want black and whites to get along and also apartheid South Africa should still exist. They can’t at the same time, it’s fundamentally impossible. Once again, tearing down Israel as it exists doesn’t mean hurting any of the people in it (unlike what Israel is doing to the Palestinians). States are just political constructs. You could easily create a new state in that area making up Palestine and Israel called Palestine II: Electric Boogaloo with a new Constitution not based on religion and equal protection under the law, and it would be purely an improvement for everyone who lives there, and yet you’re saying that’s a bad thing?

    Also, Marxism isn’t a failed political ideology. There’s plenty of states based off it that exist today. Also, capitalism has killed way more than tens of millions of people if you want to base it off every death even slightly in the orbit of a country like that (which is what those huge, ballooned figures usually do). Hell, it’s caused the destabilizing of almost every country in the global south, so I’d say it’s got an even worse track record of “failed states”. It’s only held up through imperialism, wars, and coups. For every bad thing you point at one of those countries, an equally bad event can be pointed at a capitalist country, too. Also, it’s also still a good framework for analyzing domestic policies and events as well, especially with all the enshittification happening. It’s evolved, like any science, but still extremely predictive.







  • I guess I don’t see how you would tell who is a tankie unless they started bringing up Russia or something. Because otherwise, if you’re just guessing because they’re criticizing Biden, it’s a pretty poor assumption.

    It strikes me as saying, “Oh, here come all the antisemites” in a thread about Palestine. Like, sure, it might attract some, but until it does, you’re then prepping people to accept any criticism of Israel is antisemitism. Not sure if I can word what my issue is exactly, but I guess, it kind of comes off as purposefully shit-stirring to me lol.

    Especially since previously, people would say this topic would attract tankies because any criticism of Biden would get people accused of being a tankie (I’d be accused of being a Russian shill for that even though I very much so don’t like Russia or their war, and I very much wanted a better candidate who could beat Trump). But now that this discourse has moved into the mainstream, it’s obvious that it was denial by everyone else before.




  • If the occupying state is dismantled, how can one live peacefully with the people who tortured you, your family and society for decades and made your life hell…

    South Africa pulled it off. But yes, it basically required dismantling the state completely from what it was. South Africa as it existed before and after apartheid are essentially different states with the same name. They got a new Constitution and everything. They still have a lot of problems with the white population having a majority of the land and money, but there’s nowhere near the violence there was beforehand. Everyone mostly lives in peace together now. It can be done. The same thing happened with the IRA in the UK.

    We would need to do the same thing. Dismantle Israel completely down to its roots, build something new in the same place from scratch, a place for both Palestinians and Israelis can live together. Some people would be pissed and there’d be some trouble in the beginning, but most people want to live in peace.