U.S. Reps. Earl Blumenauer and Adam Smith have also called for Biden to drop out, though not to resign. Other Oregon and Washington Democrats have been noncommittal.

Not sure if this violates rules, but this is breaking news and the primary source. Local news video.

17th house Democrat calls for Biden to step down. Post NATO-news conference, 6:30 Pacific Time

  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    4 months ago

    I think you need to acknowledge the roll you played in silencing a dissent that has for months been trying to communicate that that Biden is not winning this election. You in-particular were part of a group trying to brow-beat myself and others into submission under the false premise that Biden “is going to be the nominee” and “is the best chance for us to beat Trump”.

    At the time, the information pointed towards that. Congress members asking a member of their own party to step down publicly is fucking unprecedented. The advantage of the incumbent is offering unity to the party by providing an unambiguous candidate to rally behind - once the incumbent can’t offer that, he loses much of the advantage that he would otherwise have. As information available to me changed, so too did my view of the best way to move forward.

    It was wrong, both in principal, approach, and underlying assumptions, and it maybe has cost us our ability to beat Trump.

    For not wanting the candidate who was actually running to be undermined at every turn? You had no alternatives. Hell, the only reason there are alternatives now is because of the debate sapping confidence in Biden and causing enough pressure to emerge to potentially have him step down from the candidacy. God only knows what ugliness will emerge if he refuses to step down and the DNC tries to replace him. A lot of arguing about rules, and a lot of damage to the ticket, I imagine.

    The approach is what built the seeds of what is now “Blue Maga”, a deluded cult of personality that has the real chance of stopping us from stopping Trump.

    Lord.

    Look at the vote count. This isn’t an opinion piece or some far left anything. Its a local news station breaking a story about their House representative. That negative vote count on basic reality, “Just the facts ma’am” reporting is Blue Maga.

    The vote count is negative because people are concerned, rightly, that propagandists, native fascists, and clickbaiting news orgs are pushing a divisive narrative for their own reasons. And they are pushing a divisive narrative - but this one stems from a very real problem that we need to address. Right equation, wrong answer.

    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldOP
      13·
      4 months ago

      At the time, the information pointed towards that. Congress members asking a member of their own party to step down publicly is fucking unprecedented. The advantage of the incumbent is offering unity to the party by providing an unambiguous candidate to rally behind - once the incumbent can’t offer that, he loses much of the advantage that he would otherwise have. As information available to me changed, so too did my view of the best way to move forward.

      Bro I hate to break it to you, but nothing about Biden changed from that debate. He’s had the slightest, margin of error dip in polling. The reality is that he’s been losing this whole time and you’ve been in complete denial of that.

      Biden needed to be at 55% in the aggregate of polling to be cruising to a W comfortably. 50% is tight, but very doable. 45% and Biden is struggling, kind-of landslide losing territory. Biden hasn’t polled at 45% in 450 days.

      Because of your denial others have become comfortable denying material reality as well, and now down vote anything that doesn’t agree with their insane bias that Biden is somehow the best candidate when at no point in the past 450 days has he even been competitive.

      YOU helped build that. YOU normalized that. YOU made it acceptable to walk around in abject denial of reality for 6 months and and promoted that others do the same.

      Not some one else. YOU.

      Its quite fucking literally how r/TheDonald started. Take some fucking responsibility and have some accountability. Fix the damage you caused.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        4 months ago

        Bro I hate to break it to you, but nothing about Biden changed from that debate.

        He lost the confidence of his own party. I believe I mentioned that. Quite prominently. Several times.

        He’s had the slighted, margin of error dip in polling.

        I didn’t say “The polls changed, so I changed my mind.” Perhaps you should reread what I wrote.

        The reality is that he’s been losing this whole time and you’ve been in complete denial of that.

        He was in a bad position, that’s not the same as not being our best chance at victory. I believed he was previously despite his poor polling.

        • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldOP
          12·
          4 months ago

          He was in a bad position, that’s not the same as not being our best chance at victory. I believed he was previously despite his poor polling.

          And you were really, really, really fucking wrong. Wrong in such a way that the net effect has been that you worked to prevent a real conversation about what was happening.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            4 months ago

            And you were really, really, really fucking wrong. Wrong in such a way that the net effect has been that you worked to prevent a real conversation about what was happening.

            Yes. I was really fucking wrong.

            I made a call with imperfect information, and I made the wrong one. Fuck, I’m still making a call with imperfect information. I might be wrong now for all I fucking know. All I can do is go forward with all my energy with what I believe to be the correct course of action.

            You want me to say that my judgement was subpar in regarding which sources to trust and how to weigh them? That’s fair, I won’t argue against that, clearly I fucked up. But “You were vocal in the need for unity behind one candidate in a FPTP system, and the one with no real challengers in his party’s primary is our only choice” is not one I will apologize for.

              • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                4 months ago

                I wouldn’t call it Blue MAGA, and I find the term stupid. They’re operating on inertia, like I was - it’s not a cult-like worship of Biden. It’s just the belief that he was the best shot.

                But yes. I intend on arguing forcefully towards pro-Biden commenters on the need to change candidates now that Biden has lost the unity that an incumbent is supposed to give, especially one who ran in his primary without any major challengers. We’ve fucked up and now we have to unfuck this mess, fast.

                • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.worldOP
                  23·
                  4 months ago

                  Thank you. Its only by pointing out their denialism around material reality one by one, and fuck its been exhausting work.