Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.

How to watch it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html

"The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International and CNN en Español, and via streaming on Max for subscribers and without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks.

You can also follow CNN’s live debate coverage on CNN.com, which will include analysis and fact checking."

"According to parameters set by CNN in May, all participating debaters had to appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold to win the presidency and receive at least 15% in four separate national polls of registered or likely voters that meet CNN’s standards for reporting.

Polls that meet those standards are those sponsored by CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post."

Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!

tl;dw:

Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.

The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.

  • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
    1182·
    4 months ago

    Oh. My. God.

    It’s literally two old-as-fuck fucks arguing about their golf swings. This is literally how the debate is coming to a close. I just… I don’t even know what to say.

    • Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml
      395·
      4 months ago

      That was ironically the best summary of the damn debate. Two out of touch liches talking about golf.

      I wonder how the liberals feel now, that pushed Biden on electability and rejected any more radical options because they were too scary and conflicting with the party line.

        • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
          32·
          4 months ago

          since at least they didn’t let some filthy FDR-type

          FDR threw 200,000 Americans into concentration camps. Even trump never did anything that dark. He was a tyrannical piece of shit and really shouldn’t be your metric for progressive politician.

          • JDPoZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
            61·
            4 months ago

            FDR threw 200,000 Americans into concentration camps.

            Yep… Congrats, Captain Obvious. Guess what? All presidents are shitty. He also helped us push to start building “the bomb” after Pearl Harbor.

            • Truman helped pass the Marshal Plan to rebuild all of Europe… but also dropped those 2 atomic bombs on civilian cities, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
            • LBJ got us in to Vietnam proper. But he also pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act.
            • Obama passed the Affordable Healthcare Act, but increased drone strikes 10-fold.
            • Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway, but went along with anti-left coups all over South America (lots of the other presidents also did this sort of stuff, too, unfortunately)
            • FDR passed social security, helped get us out of the Great Depression, passed the GI bill, made electricity accessible to rural areas, gave us the Warren court - AKA the only non-conservative Supreme court in the last 100 years (Miranda rights, Brown v Board of education, right to attorney even if you can’t afford it, etc.)

            So I count FDR on the RELATIVE (not absolute) “good” side of US presidents… who are all shitty overall to lesser degrees at best.

            • the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              4 months ago

              I’d rather focus on the negative. Take away what these bastards value most, their legacy. A bad person who does a few good things is still a bad person and should be remembered as a bad person. If future presidents see them getting dragged through the mud instead of lauded because MUH FREE MONEY maybe they’d think twice about being dickbags.

              who are all shitty overall to lesser degrees at best.

              Lesser degrees? Really? Lesser than putting Americans in concentration camps? Yeah, some were worse, but FDR isn’t anywhere near the top of the ‘good guy’ scale. At best he’s somewhere in the middle.

                • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  4 months ago

                  I’d go there.

                  Elect me.

                  I totally promise not to be an asshole.

                  (Oh, I’d totally be an asshole.) (but I’d happily ram a progressive agenda down people’s throats anyway…) (still. Don’t vote for me.)

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
          101·
          4 months ago

          The problem is he fucked the delivery and Trump got to be in the position to cut him off with a high road comeback. “Let’s not be children.” Biden muttered something after that but the damage was done.

          • El Barto@lemmy.world
            7·
            4 months ago

            Biden said “you are the child.” It was a “no u” moment, so I rolled my eyes.

            But to be fair, Biden also attacked Trump several times. He called him a liar to his face. He referred to him as “this guy,” and called him a convicted felon.

            Too bad he didn’t have the same energy he had during the State of the Union.

            Edit: sorry, I referred to moments other than the golf one. And yes, I agree with you. His delivery was poor.

            • Maggoty@lemmy.world
              7·
              4 months ago

              Oh yeah he had strong moments, but during the SOTU and 2020 debates he was far stronger. I actually believe he’s sick. The problem is that excuse doesn’t fly with the American people. It didn’t help Hillary out either. That’s also why I’m sure this isn’t a speech impediment problem. Here’s the 2020 debate. It’s night and day.

              • El Barto@lemmy.world
                41·
                4 months ago

                I was very surprised to see him so… dim? precisely because of what you mentioned.

                It didn’t occur to me that he was probably sick.

                Too bad the American people won’t see it as a sign of strength, though. Being sick and still debating a moron? Not an easy task.

                I wish he started with “First of all, you all have to excuse me because I got the flu [or the clap or whatever] - but I’m here and I’m ready!”