Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.
How to watch it:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html
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Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!
tl;dw:
Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.
The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.
Oh. My. God.
It’s literally two old-as-fuck fucks arguing about their golf swings. This is literally how the debate is coming to a close. I just… I don’t even know what to say.
That was ironically the best summary of the damn debate. Two out of touch liches talking about golf.
I wonder how the liberals feel now, that pushed Biden on electability and rejected any more radical options because they were too scary and conflicting with the party line.
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since at least they didn’t let some filthy FDR-type
FDR threw 200,000 Americans into concentration camps. Even trump never did anything that dark. He was a tyrannical piece of shit and really shouldn’t be your metric for progressive politician.
FDR threw 200,000 Americans into concentration camps.
Yep… Congrats, Captain Obvious. Guess what? All presidents are shitty. He also helped us push to start building “the bomb” after Pearl Harbor.
- Truman helped pass the Marshal Plan to rebuild all of Europe… but also dropped those 2 atomic bombs on civilian cities, killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
- LBJ got us in to Vietnam proper. But he also pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act.
- Obama passed the Affordable Healthcare Act, but increased drone strikes 10-fold.
- Eisenhower gave us the Interstate Highway, but went along with anti-left coups all over South America (lots of the other presidents also did this sort of stuff, too, unfortunately)
- FDR passed social security, helped get us out of the Great Depression, passed the GI bill, made electricity accessible to rural areas, gave us the Warren court - AKA the only non-conservative Supreme court in the last 100 years (Miranda rights, Brown v Board of education, right to attorney even if you can’t afford it, etc.)
So I count FDR on the RELATIVE (not absolute) “good” side of US presidents… who are all shitty overall to lesser degrees at best.
I’d rather focus on the negative. Take away what these bastards value most, their legacy. A bad person who does a few good things is still a bad person and should be remembered as a bad person. If future presidents see them getting dragged through the mud instead of lauded because MUH FREE MONEY maybe they’d think twice about being dickbags.
who are all shitty overall to lesser degrees at best.
Lesser degrees? Really? Lesser than putting Americans in concentration camps? Yeah, some were worse, but FDR isn’t anywhere near the top of the ‘good guy’ scale. At best he’s somewhere in the middle.
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I’d go there.
Elect me.
I totally promise not to be an asshole.
(Oh, I’d totally be an asshole.) (but I’d happily ram a progressive agenda down people’s throats anyway…) (still. Don’t vote for me.)
I liked the golf part because you can tell it REALLY ticked Trump off.
The problem is he fucked the delivery and Trump got to be in the position to cut him off with a high road comeback. “Let’s not be children.” Biden muttered something after that but the damage was done.
Biden said “you are the child.” It was a “no u” moment, so I rolled my eyes.
But to be fair, Biden also attacked Trump several times. He called him a liar to his face. He referred to him as “this guy,” and called him a convicted felon.
Too bad he didn’t have the same energy he had during the State of the Union.
Edit: sorry, I referred to moments other than the golf one. And yes, I agree with you. His delivery was poor.
Oh yeah he had strong moments, but during the SOTU and 2020 debates he was far stronger. I actually believe he’s sick. The problem is that excuse doesn’t fly with the American people. It didn’t help Hillary out either. That’s also why I’m sure this isn’t a speech impediment problem. Here’s the 2020 debate. It’s night and day.
I was very surprised to see him so… dim? precisely because of what you mentioned.
It didn’t occur to me that he was probably sick.
Too bad the American people won’t see it as a sign of strength, though. Being sick and still debating a moron? Not an easy task.
I wish he started with “First of all, you all have to excuse me because I got the flu [or the clap or whatever] - but I’m here and I’m ready!”
Or anyone period.
They’re as confident now as they were in October 2016.
Or even other moderate options.
The moderators should be ashamed of themselves.
Trump hasn’t answered a single question in 20 mins.
“I just wanna go back to that.”
They are allowing gish galloping like a motherfucker and Biden has to defend himself from a thousand lies AND answer the question asked while Trump spews bullshit unending.
Not a single fact check. It’s not that hard to state when something is inaccurate and challenge the speaker
I keep tryna tell people Zazlov wants CNN to be right wing
Is that even a question? Of course he does.
I’ve been telling people that for 2 years, yet they deny it.
Yes, they should have been fact checking Trump or better holding him to his answers - but to be fair maybe they should have been asking Biden to actually clarify if he’s beating Medicare or getting COVID passed.
This was a shit show.
And it was such a shit show that Trump was a complete clown and getting away with it - not just because of the moderators, but because his opponent was as on point as a tree stump.
The moderators should be ashamed of themselves.
Why? They accomplished what they were there to do.
The LWV (League of Woman Voters) sponsored the United States presidential debates in 1976, 1980 and 1984.[75][76] On October 2, 1988, the LWV’s 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release condemning the demands of the major candidates’ campaigns. LWV President Nancy Neuman said that the debate format would “perpetrate a fraud on the American voter” and that the organization did not intend to “become an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.”[77][78] All presidential debates since 1988 have been sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates,[79] a bipartisan organization run by the two major parties that some argue has established rules with the intent to exclude airing candidates associated with other parties.[80]
Entertainment above all.
The bigger half US doesn’t care about facts.
The only criterion that’s needed is TO SPEAK LOUDLY.
I told y’all joe should not have agreed to debates. Even if everything goes perfectly there is no upside.
Those who argued it would help undecideds or somehow deflate trump - now do you see? Obvious dumpster fire is obvious. Congrats we have to scoop shit for a month now instead of making progress.
Fucking DNC, desperate to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. AGAIN.
The Onion from the top rope!
God bless the onion.
and that is exactly why he is bad at it. i don’t see a problem 😂
WE ARE SO FUCKED
Fucking no fact checking is insanity.
This is literally constant stream of bullshit from Trump.
Let’s be honest, fact-checking doesn’t matter to the American people watching this. The people who need to hear these facts have already been preprogrammed to believe CNN is biased and lying.
Trump demanded the debate, Biden should have demanded thorough fact checks with graphs and balances.
I personally would not have stepped in any debate setting with a certified liar and scammer without any sort of fact checking, it’s just foolishness.
What the fuck are the moderators even there for?
So much time is being taken with, “let me keep talking about the question from ten minutes ago and ignore what you just asked.”
Sorry people with children. The question that focused on your issues were just skipped over.
I seriously doubt it but I really hope this is a wake-up call for Democrats. I remain convinced that Biden voluntarily stepping down and permitting a younger more charismatic figure in his place will be all that is needed to win, and I say this for a few reasons:
- By the polling, age is a huge issue for a significant majority of Americans, with it clearly harming Biden more.
- Any youthful semi-in-the-shadows candidate will be fresh for Americans, who will be excited for anything different.
- The right-wing talking-points won’t be pre-written.
- By Biden & Democrats getting ahead of this and saying, “look we recognize the electorate’s concerns and what’s at stake and we know the people by large majorities don’t want either President, so we’re responding,” they would get major points.
Call it a reverse-October surprise.
That being said, this is the earliest debate ever and Trump still needs to go through sentencing in July. People won’t really remember this debate, but it certainly did not help Biden in any capacity.
I’m voting for Biden still bc Trump is a piece of shit, but Biden is coming off old and weak in this debate. Trump is lying his ass off about everything and not getting called out on any of it, and because he’s spouting so much of it so quickly rapid-fire, it’s obfuscating and confusing the issues.
Yeah watched after his last rant the moderater said he had 37 seconds to answer the actual question asked and then allowed him to rant for another fucking minute and half. Then gave Biden 30 seconds to give a weak ass answer.
Why is Biden acting like he doesn’t know where he is? What the fuck.
It’s a torrent of bs from trump. It comes out so fast that there’s no way to cover it all and still get facts out along with future policy statements.
I’m going to vote for policy, not a person. I don’t agree with Trump on anything, so I’ll vote for Biden.
Trump is playing pigeon chess. Strutting around, telling lies, shitting all over everything, and will leave telling everyone he won.
No policy debate. Zero.
“I have the biggest heart on this stage!”
“I had the best environmental numbers!”
“I did not have sex with a pornstar!”
I lol’d at the part where he denied having sex with a porn star. Outrageous after just being convicted for misuse of campaign funds to bribe a porn star because he had sex with her.
I don’t like the Republican policy, but it is semi-coherent; isolation, xenophobia, anti-immigration, no abortions in red states, burn down the entire economy if it doesn’t work for rural areas. The Democrats don’t have a coherent policy; immigration yes but also no. Peace in Palestine, but also send weapons to Israel. Stop Russia at all costs, but send as little money and only expired weapons. This is the greatest economy of all time ever, even if you don’t feel it and can’t afford a house. Crime is down, too bad you don’t feel safe.
I agree on some points, the peace in Palestine while still sending weapons to Israel is just absurd. However the coherence of Republican policy is its reductionist simplicity and that it publicly really has nothing to do with running the country - while quietly working on their project 202x theofascist plans.
But then that’s a problem with liberal policy, it’s constantly trying to juggle all the needs of the many different groups in the country vs Republican policy which says there’s only one policy: Theirs.
Jon Stewart was kind of brutal:
“Lots of people have ‘resting 25th amendment face.’”
He’s not answering Jan 6 directly.
And he’s blaming Pelosi? For Jan 6? Did I hear that right?
Yep. And no fact check means it’s true in Trumpland.
and biden is not jumping on it. Fucking worthless old man just fucked us back to president trump.
We live in a world where Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho is more electable than the candidates we have.
I figured Idiocracy was prescient, but it’s coming true awfully fast.
This country is cooked with these two as the choices. Biden looked awful, and Trump didn’t answer anything at all. Trump gets a pass on never having any substance to his replies. It is just jokes and insults.
“I had the best environmental numbers ever,” whatever that means, is hilarious for Trump to say
