If only. Dude looks and sounds like he’s about drop dead. I cannot begin to express how enormously frustrated with the democrats I am.
This is our choice. Come November I have no choice but to vote for this mumbling old man.
I would vote for a wet sandwich before I vote for Trump, but Jesus Christ, it would be nice if the democrats fucking tried.
Yep. Same boat.
They won’t until they absolutely have to.
Which at this rate is fucking never.
Thought they would have learned something from that whole Hillary and Sanders debacle. But I guess not.
OR… they don’t give a fuck either since they’re all on the same corporate payroll
Of course they didn’t. They literally had every establishment democrat coordinatedly drop out of the primaries in exchange for cabinet positions to throw their support behind Biden when Sanders started winning the primaries in 2020. Like, it’s been clear they’d learned nothing. And thanks to the idiotic two party system, they got rewarded for that maneuver with the opportunity to say “we told you so! Look, we got trump out of office!” And when they lose this time…they won’t learn a goddamn thing. Again.
“You’ve convinced me, now make me do it”
You are seeing what 80 years of worldwide violent repression of leftist ideology have culminated in.
Fuck the boat, I hope we all drown.
Democrats suffer from a condition that I’ve come to call “Democratic Realism,” named after Capitalist Realism. No matter how much they get their shit kicked in. No matter how badly they do. No matter how little they accomplish. No matter how badly they look or do in debates. Democrats always believe, beyond a shred of doubt, that they’ll win elections without trying. Not because of their own merits, but because they’re just the only “real” choice; they simply can’t fathom anyone willingly voting for their opponents.
Hillary barely campaigned in the “flyover states” that she needed to win because she couldn’t be fucking bothered to actually try. It wasn’t worth the effort to try and persuade people she thought of as her lessers. And the DNC just went “well, it’s obviously her turn. She’s been waiting for the chance at the presidency for 20 years now. We should go ahead and let her be president.” Because that’s the mentality. They don’t have to “win” elections. They just pick a candidate and they get to win, because there is no “real” alternative. That Bush and Trump won don’t indicate that, yeah, actually, you do have to fight for the people who are voting for you, otherwise they’ll vote for the schmuck that appeals to their basest and most venal instincts. Those were just flukes…right? And you don’t have to inspire confidence and admiration in others, because they should just recognize how smart and accomplished and inoffensive their candidates are, and that they’re told to vote for them by people that are smarter than they are, so they should just shut up and do it.
It’s a party driven less by any kind of ideological goals and more by a pervasive sense of smug, impotent, lazy egotism. And, yeah, they’ll get a shitload of votes in the elections because the alternative always seems to be someone who is one goose-step shy of a literal Nazi. Biden will probably even win the popular vote. Y’know…just like Hillary did…
I never thought of it like that, well written.
Yeah, I think you’ve got a good handle on it.
You smoothly worked philosophical theory into the conversation. Subtle.
it would be nice if the democrats fucking tried.
They think they don’t have to, they just have to keep you scared enough of the GOP that you’ll vote for them out of terror. It’s how Biden won the first time, after all.
I would vote for a wet sandwich before I vote for Trump, but Jesus Christ, it would be nice if the democrats fucking tried.
why should they? you’re going to give them what they want from you anyways in november and multiple novembers into the future; there’s literally no reason for them to ever bother.
Remember when a bunch of people didn’t vote because the Democrat candidate was a piece of shit? And then trump won? And then the democratic party said “oh wow we should put up actual candidates instead of decrepit neolibs” except they didn’t because they didn’t learn shit.
except they didn’t because they didn’t learn shit.
not only did they not; but they cock blocked a popular progressive candidate from running; twice.
You can’t pin that on the voter because not voting for the democrats is effectively voting for the republicans. It’s a problem of the two party system
Why doesn’t anyone call him out on lying about running for a second term? I very vividly remember hearing him say in 2020 that he would not seek reelection and yet here we are.
Why doesn’t anyone call him out on lying about running for a second term?
never saw this. citation requested thanks
Yeah I remember it.
citation requested thanks
Google’s right there when you’re done being obtuse.
Yeah, I don’t get it. I was confused and not happy when I saw he was running again. He could’ve gone out like a heavily watered down LBJ, instead he’s going to be forever remembered as the lost nursing home patient who wandered onto the debate stage. This is an unmitigated disaster, and the only way forward I see now is have Joe step down and let Kamala be the president. I’m not excited for that prospect, but I assume she can at least win a debate against a potted plant.
Imagine if they had spent last 4 years promoting some young faces as potential candidates.
This is the choice that was forced onto us. The Democrats could have had a Primary and instead they chose this for us.
They didn’t have a fucking primary? Jesus. (I’m Canadian)
There was a show primary but candidates were essentially stonewalled from participating and voters browbeaten for not supporting Biden, which is why only wackos like RFK Jr are the only other people who ran.
Oh. I had wondered what had happened to the 18 month shitshows from previous election cycles.
Up until tonight, there really was little point. Biden already beat Trump, has the incumbent advantage, and has had a successful term. I’m still not convinced that replacing him suddenly this late is even remotely a good idea unlike a lot of people seem to be
Three years I’ve been hearing vague rumours he was what I saw tonight. Trump is your next president. My condolences.
They had a primary, did everyone suddenly forget all the Palestine protesters that abstained from voting for Biden in the primary?
I didn’t, but I don’t think the dems gave a shit about them to begin with.
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Most countries Primaries don’t exist at all. Getting to choose who represents a given party is a luxury.
tbh it’s mostly just a gimmick to excite voters, not just a luxury. The Party still basically picks who the nominee is.
I see your post is missing the required 20,000 word essay in how the Republicans are worse then democrats… thus you are a secret Russian Republican antisemite!
I do love having to give a 2 paragraph disquisition of caveats about how I didn’t vote for either major party candidate in 2016 or 2020, before I can make literally any comment on either of these people or the current state of US politics, lest I be downvoted into oblivion or accused of being an evil Repub shill.
Ironically when we do this on Lemmy we are qualifying ourselves to a cohort of mostly people who didn’t vote at all, or aren’t even Americans.
that’s what happens when your most leftist party is just right of center.
Have you met lemmygrad.ml?
Yes, unfortunately.
All i can think is ‘imagine if Bernie was 10yrs younger…’
you know politics goes much further left than that and its liberating.
and you don’t need to depend on whatever out of touch politicians they allow you to vote for.
If it does what he showed tonight it needs to go back to r&d
This meme might not age well. Biden doesn’t look so good in the debate so far.
Yeah, he is getting the shit kicked out of him. Trump is spouting insane lies, but Biden is stumbling over his words on every response.
The only word salad moment(as of 15 minutes ago when I just had to turn it off) was near the start when Biden just kinda trailed off saying random words.
And when he said he beat medicare
What the fuck was that.
It was him showing America how much he cares about women’s rights, equality, & democracy. So much he’s willing to put us at a significant risk of losing those things for decades if not longer. God, I can only hope something causes Kamala to become the candidate or he steps aside for someone else.
Kamala would 100% lose. Her campaign didn’t have a single victory in 2020, and she was one of the first to drop out. If the Democrats had held a primary, we might have found a candidate that could beat him, but as it stands now, our best hope is that Trump finally finishes eating himself to death before the election.
I imagine that Kamala could at least win an argument with a potted plant, which is more than you could say about Biden at this point.
That was certainly the worst of it, but it didn’t get much better for him, he fumbled over a lot of his delivery. It was much harder for him though, he was using facts and figures while Trump was just saying whatever lie popped into his head.
Trumps replies seldom had any connection to the thread/question posed by moderator. he was simply waiting for his turn to ramble a gish gallop out.
Yeah, it reminded me a lot of the Carter/Reagan debate, only if Carter had a massive concussion.
And yet Trump still sounded more cognizant even if he was lying.
Because he didn’t have to be careful to make sure he was right. He just said whatever anyway
I think that’s the biggest danger with Trump. Even though he’s less with it than Biden, what comes out of his mouth sounds more coherent if you’re not concerned with the facts of the matter.
I was a bit concerned with Biden when he would say the wrong word or trail off, but at the end of the day it’s less about who the president is and more about who they hire. I really wish the DNC had ran a different candidate.
Yeah, this is pretty painful to watch. Trump is a piece of shit, but he’s way more forceful and even somewhat coherent. Meanwhile, Biden’s just above a whisper and is somewhere between stuttering and rambling.
Staying hydrated is known to increase performance.
Good old dihydrogen monoxide.
Up there as one of the most dangerous chemical compounds in the world, near 100% fatality rate.
The whole malarkey shit they are trying to push like it’s a great image is so fucking dumb, it would be cute if my grandpa in hospice said it but it’s fucking incredibly out of touch when the president of the United states says it.
They can’t deny that he’s older than dirt, might as well lean into the cuter parts about that fact
When do we start fetishizing his cute wittle ear hair
When I thread it between my gleaming moist teeth.
Biden needs that pure old Colombian cocaine.
Ask the CIA for some.
They’ve got plenty, so if they’re not just handing it over they must want Trump to win 😂
Should have took a lot more.
It will be fun to see if the media will try to spin it as him looking good tomorrow.
Just imagine for a short … Biden takes drugs. AND still has the better answers to all our problems than this un-drugged (?!) 3yo mind in a slightly younger body. Wouldn’t THAT be a real game changer? Shouldn’t DJT then too use drugs? No?
i wish he was on drugs; maybe he would have done better.
Politics is so team sports, they even think performance enhancing drugs are a bad idea.
If the point of taking drugs is to “enhance your performance” then Biden took every drug he should NOT have taken before that debate.
The fact that thus is a real product…
2016 election: idiot one or two.
2024 election: felon or Designated Survivor.HOW IS THIS REAL!?!?
Biden, the RAVE Act guy, selling water? This empire is so fucking cooked
Lol I KNEW HE WAS ALREADY DEAD!! That picture was taken in the cooler fridge where they keep his body in storage in-between sessions of weekend at Bernies style puppeteering.
I can’t believe I have to vote for an actual corpse…
