There is a significant cohort of lemmings living in a gaslit fantasy where they’ve lost themselves in a gamblers fallacy around Biden as candidate. They’ll come back around, much later, after he’s replaced as candidate, and pretend they were never the person they were.
As far as the posturing and jockeying, game is on I suppose.
Any Democrats who can stand up and show leadership right now stand a very good chance of becoming the most powerful person in the world. Trump is a deeply unpopular candidate. It won’t take much to expose his weakness for what it is, we just currently happen to have the weakest possible candidate. Swap the candidate, adopt the positions of the base, and whoever ends up being the nominee can coast into office.
My problem with the whole thing is there hasn’t been anyone stepping up and saying how about me. I haven’t seen any mention of any actual names whatsoever.
You gotta decide what else to make before you dump the water.
My problem with the whole thing is there hasn’t been anyone stepping up and saying how about me. I haven’t seen any mention of any actual names whatsoever.
Anyone who has enough name recognition to get into and be a competitor to Biden isn’t going to turn traitor against the party’s incumbent unless he explicitly bows out. If they’re seen as ousting Biden… it’s going to be a shit show of epic proportions. look at the criticism that phillips took. (And philips is basically a younger version of Biden.) In the primary, the only candidate to get on the ballot in more than half the states was Biden. Most got on around half the states, give or take.
Most of the states only had a ballot because they were legally obligated to. the 2024 Primary for the DNC wasn’t a real primary.
They will. We’re “just on the other side” of a whole paradigm shift. Its only been a week and we’re still a good bit out from the convention.
It should be telling that Newsom was on screen within 15 seconds of the debate, and Kamala about the same “surrogating” for Biden. Whats them applying for the job.
I mean, Trumps going to win if we stick with Biden.
There are two things I’m confident in, in this order:
Biden won’t be the next president;
Biden won’t be the nominee.
The idea that we should stick with a candidate who has effectively already lost this election because shifting candidates would cause “splintering” is ignoring the fact that the party is already splintered. If it wasn’t, Biden wouldn’t be losing like this.
You are engaging in a form of lying when you say we need to have a decision already made to criticize Biden. You should stop lying. We haven’t actually had a convention yet. He’ isn’t the nominee and doesn’t have to be. We don’t have to make that decision until the convention.
If thats an important condition for you to have before you move on from a lost cause, you should come up with an answer to that question on your own and suggest it.
Its a fundamental form of trolling that OP is engaging in, and that apparently, you think I should engage with.
Think about it as a metaphor. I come to you with the information that your house is on fire. OP is basically making a rhetorical argument that if I can’t provide them with a house they’ll find suitable, we shouldnt leave the burning house we’re currently in.
The information about the state of the house (candidate in our case) is independent from there being another house that isn’t on fire.
You should never, ever engage with people like them. They are not having this discussion in good faith. If its important to them they should suggest a candidate. There are plenty to suggest. But that is a fundamentally separate discussion.
One problem with this analogy is that if you’re in a burning house, you literally don’t have time to have a conversation while you’re in it. But in fact we could spend the entire weekend discussing viable candidates and it wouldn’t become too late to then decide to support the idea.
Another problem is that you’re presupposing that the course of action is obvious, as it is in a house fire. In a house fire, it doesn’t matter what can be done about the stuff or where you’re going to live if you lose your home, because if you don’t get out of the house ASAP then you will die, based on thousands upon thousands of previous house fires. In the case of this election, nothing like this has ever happened and staying with Biden does not actually mean guaranteed loss. Perhaps continuing the public call for Biden to step down is the thing that hurts us the most. In any case, the only thing that would mean a literal guaranteed loss would be withdrawing Biden and not replacing him with someone.
So, coming up with suitable people who could take the helm and do better (as well as figuring out a viable way to make this happen democratically) is necessary to this process actually succeeding. We actually do have the luxury of time to spend all day discussing it right now. And if good ideas for candidates can actually win over more people to the idea, then it might in some way be helpful to the success of it.
I would say I’m a person who both feels like things have reached a point where Biden should ideally be replaced, but I’m very worried by the fact that I haven’t yet heard someone else who we could theoretically rally behind, and haven’t heard how this could even be accomplished legally and politically at this late stage. I feel the worst thing we can do is to just repeatedly say it’s a fire and not actually figure out steps to fix it.
Yeah I want a Democrat to win the election and Biden has a less than 1 in 20 shot of doing that.
The only path to stopping Trump is replacing Biden. Continuing to promote Biden as a candidate is you basically asking for project 2025 to become a reality. And as you can see, there are a lot of idiots to push back on who think a guy polling in the low thirties can make it happen.
There is a significant cohort of lemmings living in a gaslit fantasy where they’ve lost themselves in a gamblers fallacy around Biden as candidate. They’ll come back around, much later, after he’s replaced as candidate, and pretend they were never the person they were.
As far as the posturing and jockeying, game is on I suppose.
Any Democrats who can stand up and show leadership right now stand a very good chance of becoming the most powerful person in the world. Trump is a deeply unpopular candidate. It won’t take much to expose his weakness for what it is, we just currently happen to have the weakest possible candidate. Swap the candidate, adopt the positions of the base, and whoever ends up being the nominee can coast into office.
My problem with the whole thing is there hasn’t been anyone stepping up and saying how about me. I haven’t seen any mention of any actual names whatsoever.
You gotta decide what else to make before you dump the water.
I could be wrong, idk.
Anyone who has enough name recognition to get into and be a competitor to Biden isn’t going to turn traitor against the party’s incumbent unless he explicitly bows out. If they’re seen as ousting Biden… it’s going to be a shit show of epic proportions. look at the criticism that phillips took. (And philips is basically a younger version of Biden.) In the primary, the only candidate to get on the ballot in more than half the states was Biden. Most got on around half the states, give or take.
Most of the states only had a ballot because they were legally obligated to. the 2024 Primary for the DNC wasn’t a real primary.
SO MAYBE IF DEM PARTY BIGWIGS ARENT WILLING TO TRASH OUR INCUMBENT WE SHOULDNT BE EITHER…
/THREAD
They will. We’re “just on the other side” of a whole paradigm shift. Its only been a week and we’re still a good bit out from the convention.
It should be telling that Newsom was on screen within 15 seconds of the debate, and Kamala about the same “surrogating” for Biden. Whats them applying for the job.
Or, its very late in the game and this chaos causes the dems to splinter, leaving trump ripe for victory.
You act like you know exactly what will happen, when in reality things can end up pear shaped whether we stick with biden or get a new candidate.
Polls and MSM are focusing on biden, allowing trump to gain ground. Whatever is gonna happen needs to happen NOW.
I mean, Trumps going to win if we stick with Biden.
There are two things I’m confident in, in this order:
Biden won’t be the next president;
Biden won’t be the nominee.
The idea that we should stick with a candidate who has effectively already lost this election because shifting candidates would cause “splintering” is ignoring the fact that the party is already splintered. If it wasn’t, Biden wouldn’t be losing like this.
Who though… Comments like this are useless unless there is a valid replacement. So again… Who, or STFU.
It doesn’t matter the name. You will immediately dismiss it, because you intended to do so when you asked the question.
Harris. Newsom. Whitmer. Buttigieg. Franken.
No thats just wrong.
You are engaging in a form of lying when you say we need to have a decision already made to criticize Biden. You should stop lying. We haven’t actually had a convention yet. He’ isn’t the nominee and doesn’t have to be. We don’t have to make that decision until the convention.
Sure but… WHO?!
Whitmer.
If thats an important condition for you to have before you move on from a lost cause, you should come up with an answer to that question on your own and suggest it.
You’re the one saying Biden should be replaced. Why on earth would it be mortalic’s responsibility to suggest the alternative?
Do you know what sea lioning is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Its a fundamental form of trolling that OP is engaging in, and that apparently, you think I should engage with.
Think about it as a metaphor. I come to you with the information that your house is on fire. OP is basically making a rhetorical argument that if I can’t provide them with a house they’ll find suitable, we shouldnt leave the burning house we’re currently in.
The information about the state of the house (candidate in our case) is independent from there being another house that isn’t on fire.
You should never, ever engage with people like them. They are not having this discussion in good faith. If its important to them they should suggest a candidate. There are plenty to suggest. But that is a fundamentally separate discussion.
One problem with this analogy is that if you’re in a burning house, you literally don’t have time to have a conversation while you’re in it. But in fact we could spend the entire weekend discussing viable candidates and it wouldn’t become too late to then decide to support the idea.
Another problem is that you’re presupposing that the course of action is obvious, as it is in a house fire. In a house fire, it doesn’t matter what can be done about the stuff or where you’re going to live if you lose your home, because if you don’t get out of the house ASAP then you will die, based on thousands upon thousands of previous house fires. In the case of this election, nothing like this has ever happened and staying with Biden does not actually mean guaranteed loss. Perhaps continuing the public call for Biden to step down is the thing that hurts us the most. In any case, the only thing that would mean a literal guaranteed loss would be withdrawing Biden and not replacing him with someone.
So, coming up with suitable people who could take the helm and do better (as well as figuring out a viable way to make this happen democratically) is necessary to this process actually succeeding. We actually do have the luxury of time to spend all day discussing it right now. And if good ideas for candidates can actually win over more people to the idea, then it might in some way be helpful to the success of it.
I would say I’m a person who both feels like things have reached a point where Biden should ideally be replaced, but I’m very worried by the fact that I haven’t yet heard someone else who we could theoretically rally behind, and haven’t heard how this could even be accomplished legally and politically at this late stage. I feel the worst thing we can do is to just repeatedly say it’s a fire and not actually figure out steps to fix it.
I just took a look at your post history. It’s literally only anti-Biden. I hope you’re getting paid…
Yeah I want a Democrat to win the election and Biden has a less than 1 in 20 shot of doing that.
The only path to stopping Trump is replacing Biden. Continuing to promote Biden as a candidate is you basically asking for project 2025 to become a reality. And as you can see, there are a lot of idiots to push back on who think a guy polling in the low thirties can make it happen.