Flipping the candidate 4-5 months before the election is the dumbest fucking idea. Other than the obvious legal battles and terrible optics, the logistics of getting a unified candidate and get that information out to the public before the election is impossible.
Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican for attacking the Dem candidate. It won’t do anything good, it will fail, and it will be used to attack Biden going forward. Being critical and shooting yourself and country in the face don’t have to be the same thing.
Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican
I would say that any one suggesting the Democrats stick with a candidate polling in the low thirties might as well be a Republican.
Republicans need the Democrats to stick with Biden. They literally are fucked if the Democrats pick almost any other candidate. 70% of Americans think Biden is mentally unfit to be President.
70%.
Thats an insane number. Biden is over. He can’t win with numbers like that.
There aren’t going to be any legal battles and its going to be the best earned media the Democrats will ever get in the history of the party if they go to a contested convention. The presidential election is nothing at all like a smaller regional race. Whoever ends up being the candidate will get literally billions of dollars in earned media by simply “becoming” the candidate. The whole drama of it suddenly engages what is currently a completely disengaged voting populace.
So no.
Edit: downvoted by Russian agents.
70%
I would like to know how they reached to this number.
Because it surely isn’t out of all Americans.
Source: nobody polled me or my friends.
Edit: not all Americans, as you claimed in your comment. All voting Americans; and my claim still stands. Nobody asked me or my friends.
Edit 2: The same poll asked if Trump is a liar. Almost 70% said yes. Compared to almost 60% saying that Biden is a liar. I’m very suspicious of polls these days.
Edit 3: to be clear, I also believe that Trump is a liar. Just that the Biden numbers are suspiciously too high.
Edit: downvoted by Russian agents.
The McCarthyist paranoia act is getting old.
“Anyone who disagrees with me must be a bot!!”
I think a shotgun primary could really fire up the base. Let the new faces promise things that get people excited to vote instead of this grim responsibility we’re feeling now
Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican for attacking the Dem candidate.
BoTh SiDeS!!!
Running an 84 year old incumbent is the dumbest idea. Switching him out four months before the election when it’s clear to everyone he’s not up to the task is the second dumbest idea.
Ok, GOP.
And once again, the “everyone to my left is all the way to my right” bullshit.
The same Mark Warner that is basically GOP with a (D) next to his name? Oh, like we wouldnt see through that
Plus Biden was elected, right? Like, Democratic voters chose him to be the Democratic candidate?
Can another party vote happen at this point?
Or is there another formal procedure for these circumstances that involve the people? (E.g. the people chose their top three preferred candidates?)
Otherwise, Indeed, that “democrat” asshole calling for this is part of the treason train.
In which primary?
So there was no voting this time around?
Edit: it was a genuine question.
You’re seriously going to pretend what we got was a primary?
I’m not pretending. I really don’t know. I’m a first time voter, and I’ve been living in France for the past year (will be back in Seattle just in time to vote for the general elections.)
You don’t primary an incumbent you utter potato.
Jesus it’s like you guys failed poli sci 101.
I was replying to someone who acted like we had a primary.
Last time we did that, we got Nixon.
Nice try, Comrade.
People keep saying that while skipping over the fact that Robert Kennedy would probably have been the nominee and defeated Nixon if he hadn’t been assassinated in June.
And out come the purity tests.
If he was a true R, he wouldn’t be pushing to remove Biden. We all know where this current situation is heading.
Downvote the news, but it still remains news.
For such a prominent Senator to have gone public, there must be a torrent of activity in private.
Refusing to see Biden’s flaws is incredibly delusional. I understand a bit, running a new candidate could help Trump win. However, running a candidate with dementia will definitely help Trump win. We deserve a candidate with basic debate skills.
There is a point of no return when public reception dictates further action and that preception will not reverse. I hate the idea, as I think history will look very kindly on Joe, and it’s terrible what’s happening. But, by my estimate we have reached that point.
I’m sorry, he’s done some good, but he’s also continued delivering weapons to Israel for their genocide in Gaza. If he’s looked at especially fondly in the future it’ll be through rose tinted glasses.
Still voting for him over Trump, but let’s not be ridiculous.
Bawaaaaa…,he didn’t do exactly what I want.
Bawaaaaa…,he didn’t do exactly what I want.
Did he not sell Netanyahu enough weapons for your liking?
If everyone did exactly what you want it would be perfect! Because, with all those years of foreign policy experience you know, right? First, learn some civics. CONGRESS allocates.
If everyone did exactly what you want it would be perfect! Because, with all those years of foreign policy experience you know, right?
Why are you talking about me? I was asking why you were so upset that Biden didn’t do exactly what you want. And about the only problem I can imagine you having with Biden is that he didn’t sell enough weapons to Netanyahu for genocide for your liking. Is there some other thing that Biden could have done?
First, learn some civics. CONGRESS allocates.
And somehow, Biden was able to CIRCUMVENT congress to SELL Netanyahu weapons for his genocide. Biden’s hands are tied unless it’s something he wants to do. Is that what they taught you in civics class? Because all that tells me is that the gym coach was teaching civics at your school.
Yeah, and it’s “Hillary’s Turn” 🤮
Scuttling your own incumbent because of his flaws is peak delusion.
Go touch grass.
And running a candidate who can’t debate and is only coherent between 10 and 4 is just good politics?
There is a significant cohort of lemmings living in a gaslit fantasy where they’ve lost themselves in a gamblers fallacy around Biden as candidate. They’ll come back around, much later, after he’s replaced as candidate, and pretend they were never the person they were.
As far as the posturing and jockeying, game is on I suppose.
Any Democrats who can stand up and show leadership right now stand a very good chance of becoming the most powerful person in the world. Trump is a deeply unpopular candidate. It won’t take much to expose his weakness for what it is, we just currently happen to have the weakest possible candidate. Swap the candidate, adopt the positions of the base, and whoever ends up being the nominee can coast into office.
My problem with the whole thing is there hasn’t been anyone stepping up and saying how about me. I haven’t seen any mention of any actual names whatsoever.
You gotta decide what else to make before you dump the water.
I could be wrong, idk.
My problem with the whole thing is there hasn’t been anyone stepping up and saying how about me. I haven’t seen any mention of any actual names whatsoever.
Anyone who has enough name recognition to get into and be a competitor to Biden isn’t going to turn traitor against the party’s incumbent unless he explicitly bows out. If they’re seen as ousting Biden… it’s going to be a shit show of epic proportions. look at the criticism that phillips took. (And philips is basically a younger version of Biden.) In the primary, the only candidate to get on the ballot in more than half the states was Biden. Most got on around half the states, give or take.
Most of the states only had a ballot because they were legally obligated to. the 2024 Primary for the DNC wasn’t a real primary.
SO MAYBE IF DEM PARTY BIGWIGS ARENT WILLING TO TRASH OUR INCUMBENT WE SHOULDNT BE EITHER…
/THREAD
They will. We’re “just on the other side” of a whole paradigm shift. Its only been a week and we’re still a good bit out from the convention.
It should be telling that Newsom was on screen within 15 seconds of the debate, and Kamala about the same “surrogating” for Biden. Whats them applying for the job.
Or, its very late in the game and this chaos causes the dems to splinter, leaving trump ripe for victory.
You act like you know exactly what will happen, when in reality things can end up pear shaped whether we stick with biden or get a new candidate.
Polls and MSM are focusing on biden, allowing trump to gain ground. Whatever is gonna happen needs to happen NOW.
I mean, Trumps going to win if we stick with Biden.
There are two things I’m confident in, in this order:
Biden won’t be the next president;
Biden won’t be the nominee.
The idea that we should stick with a candidate who has effectively already lost this election because shifting candidates would cause “splintering” is ignoring the fact that the party is already splintered. If it wasn’t, Biden wouldn’t be losing like this.
Who though… Comments like this are useless unless there is a valid replacement. So again… Who, or STFU.
It doesn’t matter the name. You will immediately dismiss it, because you intended to do so when you asked the question.
Harris. Newsom. Whitmer. Buttigieg. Franken.
No thats just wrong.
You are engaging in a form of lying when you say we need to have a decision already made to criticize Biden. You should stop lying. We haven’t actually had a convention yet. He’ isn’t the nominee and doesn’t have to be. We don’t have to make that decision until the convention.
Sure but… WHO?!
Whitmer.
If thats an important condition for you to have before you move on from a lost cause, you should come up with an answer to that question on your own and suggest it.
You’re the one saying Biden should be replaced. Why on earth would it be mortalic’s responsibility to suggest the alternative?
Do you know what sea lioning is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Its a fundamental form of trolling that OP is engaging in, and that apparently, you think I should engage with.
Think about it as a metaphor. I come to you with the information that your house is on fire. OP is basically making a rhetorical argument that if I can’t provide them with a house they’ll find suitable, we shouldnt leave the burning house we’re currently in.
The information about the state of the house (candidate in our case) is independent from there being another house that isn’t on fire.
You should never, ever engage with people like them. They are not having this discussion in good faith. If its important to them they should suggest a candidate. There are plenty to suggest. But that is a fundamentally separate discussion.
I just took a look at your post history. It’s literally only anti-Biden. I hope you’re getting paid…
Yeah I want a Democrat to win the election and Biden has a less than 1 in 20 shot of doing that.
The only path to stopping Trump is replacing Biden. Continuing to promote Biden as a candidate is you basically asking for project 2025 to become a reality. And as you can see, there are a lot of idiots to push back on who think a guy polling in the low thirties can make it happen.
He has gone public? Because he hasn’t said anything about this.
All I see are secondhand reports from anonymous sources, which is kind of the opposite of going public.
"Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) is attempting to assemble a group of Democratic senators to ask Joe Biden to exit the presidential race,” the Washington Post reports.
“Warner is telling Democratic senators that Biden can no longer remain in the election in the wake of his faltering debate performance… The Virginia senator has told others that he is deeply concerned Biden is not able to run a campaign that could beat former president Donald Trump.”
… according to two people with direct knowledge of the effort
So, he hasn’t gone public, at all.
The Senate isin recess until Monday. Senators tend not to make public pronouncements while in recess. Which makes this interesting to watch. If the Biden effort through the weekend enough for him to hold fire? Guess we’ll find out.
Nah push for ranked voting instead corporate democrats
I’m sucking it up and going to voter for whomever we get that isn’t Joe Biden.
We can figure out how we actually take over the DNC after we ensure there will be a “next election”.
Just vote for Joe and stop killing his incumbent momentum.
Bro he’ s never had any and you’re lying to yourself to said he had any.
At no point in the past 500 days has he been in a position to even be competitive in this election.
Pretending that this guy has a chance when every iota of evidence we have says he’s going to lose is basically the equivalent of voting for Trump.
All of this because the Whitehouse didn’t juice Biden up with the Doctor Feelgood syringe left over from the Kennedy years.
