But sure, tell me what it’s like being suicidal

Nah, if you’re gonna be antagonistic and gatekeepy like this, I’m not inclined to share my own experiences. You’ll just find some reason to invalidate my own experiences and feelings. So I’m not gonna bother.

EDIT: I’ll keep my guns, thanks. Going out to shoot and compete is one of the few things that I have in my life that I really enjoy.

And in doing so you have significantly increased your chances of suicide.

Removing the tools doesn’t solve the underlying problem. Perhaps the suicides don’t happen; but that doesn’t reduce the misery that leads to someone killing themselves.

Often times it leads to better outcomes though, which in the end solves the underlying problem. When people don’t have an easy out and stick around long enough, usually the underlying problems get solved.

And, again, this is wildly different from the violence that Trump supporters are being called to.

Cool. I know. But it is irrelevant. Gun deaths are still gun deaths, and they should be prevented.

Yes. But none of those are as easy. Hanging is a long slow death if you fuck it up. Knives are pretty slow too and require pain as you go. Carbon monoxide poisoning requires a car. Jumping requires guts. A gun is a nice easy button to end it. Few things can compare with how easy that is.

Regardless of how you want to rationalize it, the statistics show that I’m correct. Simply having a gun in the house increases your chances of suicide.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/handgun-ownership-associated-with-much-higher-suicide-risk.html

Hardly an if, that’s essentially what actually happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

Fascists will always use a crisis to gain more power. If the Rechstag fire had actually killed Hitler, then yeah, it probably would have been a good thing. But in the end it didn’t, it just gave Hitler more power. This situation with Trump isn’t much different.

Granted, hindsight is a big factor here. But I think I’ve made my point.

Given that he is essentially unscathed, yes.

Trump burying news about him with more news about him is to his advantage. And I guarantee you Trump will continue milking the assassination attempt. It isn’t buried by a long shot.

But gun prevalence increases suicide rates. People who would otherwise not commit suicide end up doing so because a quick and relatively easy way out is available. Should those guns not be so easily accessible, some percentage of those suicides wouldn’t happen.

Those gun deaths are a problem regardless of whether they’re suicide or homicide. And the gun lobby/Trump is perfectly happy with all that death as long as they get their sales/status quo/money. The deaths don’t need to be the same for it to be relevant.

It wouldn’t be the first time a conservative did something violent for political goals. It won’t be the last.

Do you have any idea how many abortion clinics have been bombed/shot at by conservatives?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretchen_Whitmer_kidnapping_plot

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/nancy-pelosi-husband-paul-attack/index.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/far-right-violence-a-growing-threat-and-law-enforcements-top-domestic-terrorism-concern

Was it really a good deed though? Because by missing, he gave Trump a shit load of political ammunition.

Trump is going to take this crisis and abuse it for every vote it gets him, and it’s gonna get him a lot.

Maybe don’t paraphrase from Mein Kampf if you don’t want to be called a fascist.

I used to work at a place where an entire department was like that. They’d always have Jordan Peterson’s latest talk/show/podcast on in the background, MAGA merch, etc. They’d always have the facial expression of an inmate mugshot. And they’d always be super short with people. One of them made a point of saying the N word as much as they could.

Any time I had to interact with them I’d dread it. I can only imagine how terribly it would have gone if I had dared say anything political in earshot of them.

In my experience, the liberals lose games like that 9 times out of 10. Either they kill a liberal and doom themselves, or they kill a fascist and then lose the game anyways because the deck is stacked.

What this would actually look like in effect would be if Biden had Trump assassinated by their own rules, either Biden would get impeached by the republicans + a few breakoff dems, or it would start a precedent of political assassinations in the U.S., which would end with a lot of blood.

Either way, it will be a disaster. I don’t want to be a doomer, but I don’t see a way to salvage this shit show.

bOTh sIdES aRe THe SAmE

If your foot isn’t cleaned well, it can get infected and potentially cause sepsis, which is very dangerous. Should we be removing children’s feet?

No, obviously not. The time for invasive, nonconsentual medical intervention is when it is medically necessary, and circumcision does not fit the bill.

“The CPS does not recommend the routine circumcision of every newborn male.”

“It is shown that the foreskin is more sensitive than the uncircumcised glans mucosa, which means that after circumcision genital sensitivity is lost.” - Meaning circumcision is quite a damaging procedure, which means the justification for it must be high. And as a preventive measure for which the things being prevented won’t happen for a decade and a half or longer, isn’t justified.

If the foreskin isn’t cleaned well (challenging for toddlers)

Newborns should not have their foreskin pulled back for cleaning, as the separation can cause damage. IIRC it’s only a bit before puberty that it is safe to gently (not forcibly) pull back the foreskin.