I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

  • OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world
    224·
    3 days ago

    The only people I see calling for Biden to drop out are the media news companies.

    It’s basically a fake controversy. They benefit massively from stirring the pot so people tune in to “see what’s going to happen”.

    Reality is if Biden were going to drop out, he’d already have done it.

    • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      3 days ago

      Depends on what social circles and social media circles you roll in. I know of a LOT of people who wish he wasn’t the nominee.

      • alekwithak@lemmy.world
        2·
        3 days ago

        It takes years to plan a presidential run and the incumbent has a huge advantage. It’s infeasible to change the candidate now and would 100% split an already very polarized party. It’s a fake media controversy and the media companies are the ones causing people to feel that way by editing footage to make Biden look bad, attacking Biden’s stutter or slip up instead of Trump’s lies and gaslighting. The media is controlled by the rich and complicit in treason, but the rich never get their dues and the right is never held accountable.

    • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      3 days ago

      This, Biden isn’t going to drop out and most of the people calling for him to resign benefit either directly from him no longer being on the ballot, or indirectly benefit in the chaos and doubt of opportunist in the democratic party jumping on what they perceive as an opportunity to enhance their standing and power within the party and political establishment as a whole.

      If one singular data point (a bad debate performance) is enough to make you or anyone else think a person should immediately step aside, you’re exactly the kind of person these attacks and campaigns are directed at: someone easy to sway and scatter. I don’t particularly like Biden or most of what he’s done in the last 2 years specifically, but I also know that splitting off from him or encouraging a third candidate that will split the vote is just going to hand GOP the reigns for the next 4 years and given how they’ve spent the last 8 stomping on rights and democracy, it’ll probably be another 20 years before they lose power short of another revolution or civil war. So weighing those two scenarios, yeah I’m just going to vote Biden, sleepy or dark brandon, doesn’t matter since he can always resign after the election and let Kamala take up POTUS.

  • nednobbins@lemm.ee
    252·
    3 days ago

    The people calling for Biden to drop out are completely different from the people who want Trump to stay in the race.

    Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.

    Republicans want Trump to stay on the ticket because they’re pretty sure he’ll crush Biden .

    • hydrospanner@lemmy.world
      103·
      3 days ago

      Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.

      To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

      While I’m not thrilled with his chances, I will say that if he wasn’t to be the nominee, that decision needed to happen in 2021. At this point, I do believe that statistically, he’s got better odds than anyone else, so regardless of his debate or mental state, he’s our guy.

      • TeenieBopper@lemmy.world
        122·
        3 days ago

        To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

        Literally anyone born after 1975.

        Look, 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the D line no matter who it is. 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the R line no matter what. That last 10% is who you want to win over. And like, they’re tired of both of them. But Biden is the dude in office right now, so they’re gonna vote for the other one.

        All Biden has to do is say “after some reflection, you’re right. I cannot serve at my best capacity. I’m going to step aside for the good of party and country,” and then they nominate literally anyone under 50. Hardcore democrats are going to vote for whoever is on that line, and middle America is going to see that and be like “that’s the honorable thing to do. I respect that. And I may not know who this new person is, but they’re not Trump” so democrats still have that tired platform without any of the baggage. They would cruise to retaining the presidency.

      • nednobbins@lemm.ee
        51·
        3 days ago

        do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

        The answer to that is clearly, “Yes.” The calls for him to bow out are coming from all corners; various mainstream media outlets, donor groups, alternative media, pundits, and even sitting Democratic politicians.

      • Soulg@sh.itjust.works
        34·
        3 days ago

        This is how I feel too. The debate lowered the chances, but it’s far too late to just shove someone else in.

  • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
    192·
    3 days ago

    Trump controls a cult, that’s why.

    Cult leaders can get their followers to do anything and the followers will forgive the leader for anything, including felonies. They will dismiss any criticism of the leader as lies or made up to hurt the leader politically. No matter how true the criticism might be.

    At the end of the day, it’s very much like the relationship between religious worshippers and their god.

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
    161·
    3 days ago

    People do, you call them Biden supporters and dismiss them because “they wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway”

    Or you say Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus and it’s all lies created by the devil

  • doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    713·
    3 days ago

    1. Most people who want him to drop out were never going to vote for him anyway.

    2. People (perhaps erroneously) perceive a chance of Biden actually doing it. Trump will never drop out as winning the presidency is his only shot at avoiding incarceration. He’ll probably run again in 2028 if he’s still around by then.

    3. Trump isn’t incumbent, meaning the GOP already had a full primary in the past year. They’ve already determined they don’t have a better alternative. Technically the Dems could have nominated someone other than Biden, but it was never a very likely possibility, so people aren’t as familiar with Democratic alternatives.

    4. Republicans either don’t believe any of the criticisms you made of Trump are true, are okay with them, still believe him to be the lesser of two evils, or some combination of these. This is largely due to right-wing propaganda e.g. Fox News, OAN, Info Wars, etc.

    I’m no expert, these are just what I perceive to be happening. There’s probably other factors at play as well.

    Edit: with the recent supreme court rulings, I’m guessing that he may be able to avoid jail even if he doesn’t win. I still don’t see any chance he’ll drop out.

      • Facebones@reddthat.com
        152·
        4 days ago

        And accurate, fighting both existing and new minimum marriage age requirements has been a priority for Republicans in like 10+ different states over the past 5 years or so.

  • vividspecter@lemm.ee
    2456·
    5 days ago

    Republican candidates aren’t held to the same standards because Republican voters don’t care (or they actually like it).

    • Alteon@lemmy.world
      6·
      3 days ago

      He gave them $1,600 in stimulus checks. Some of the poorer people think he’ll make things more affordable for people, lower costs, make crypto better, and essentially just rain down money. They have to think of their families future, and apparently they think Trump will do that. They don’t care what he’s done, he’s a means to an end, and if they can wrap an American flag around him, profess him the new Messiah, and ban abortions to do it, they will.

      Republicans are either extremely ignorant or they just lack any and all empathy. They get their news from Fox that shields them from the truth, and they live in constant fear of blood-drinking evil liberals, illegal racist/murderer aliens, and that their money is being stolen from them by undesirables that feed off the system.

      Their entire world view is a facade to make rich people richer and their ignorance of that makes them expendable pawns. It’d be comical if it wasn’t so tragic…

  • kava@lemmy.world
    121·
    3 days ago

    I think you misunderstand who is asking Biden to drop out and why.

    Dems are interested in who is the DNC candidate and Republicans are interested in the GOP candidate.

    Republicans as a whole are OK with Trump. He’s not incredibly popular, but he has some achievements under his belt and has a relatively small but very loyal core group of voters. The average Republican believes that a) Trump has good chances of winning election and b) will likely move forward conservative policy objectives.

    Therefore, why would they want him to drop out?

    If we look on the other side at Biden. A growing group of people believe that he is not 100% mentally there because of his age. Because of this, not only does he a) have lower chances of winning the election but also b) is he really competent enough to be president? Sure, there’s a sort of shadow administration behind him but people still put value in having a strong and mentally quick head of state.

    Beyond that, there’s also a small group of progressive voters who are unhappy with Biden’s policies. He simply isn’t a very effective leader and is one of the most unpopular presidents in US history. He’s even more unpopular than Trump, who was also a deeply unpopular president.

    So, people want Biden to resign because they believe other people would not only a better chance of winning election, but would be more effective leaders in terms of advancing DNC policy objectives.

    • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      74·
      3 days ago

      Except your arguments against Biden easily apply, and more so, against trump. He is absolutely not all there, a mere three years younger, and certainly not competent (and absolutely corrupt on top of that.)

      The simple answer is- people expect Republicans to be degenerates. They don’t expect that of Democrats. It’s nothing but a shitty double standard we’ve let dictate politics for decades.

      • kava@lemmy.world
        63·
        3 days ago

        You have to look at it from the GOP perspective. Trump is the most popular candidate, he managed to accomplish big ticket items in his administration, and he is more “mentally there” than Biden.

        Just look at debate. Trump spoke quickly and confidently. Biden mumbles and forgets what he’s talking about, stands there with mouth open staring, etc.

        There’s a reason in 2020 debates, polls showed most people thought Biden won the 2 debates. But in the last one, overwhelming % of people thought Trump won debates- even democratic voters.

        • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          Trump did not speak confidently.

          He ignored the questions, he lied with abandon, and the moderators did nothing about it. Biden couldn’t keep up with the flood of lies to refute it all.

          Im quite sure Biden is capable of lying just as quickly and confidently but he is a better person than that. He actually came to debate, not spit in our faces by lying right to us.

          • kava@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 day ago

            Speaking confidence has nothing to do with lying or telling the truth. Go back 20 years ago and look at a Biden speech and compare it to today. Hell, go back 4 years ago to the last Biden v Trump debates.

            Biden isn’t half the capable public speaker he was before. He mumbles and gets lost. He sounds unsure.

            Trump doesn’t care if what he’s saying truth or not, he just says things with the conviction of a conman.

              • kava@lemmy.world
                11·
                1 day ago

                We can discuss what people should do all day. I’m talking about what people will do. Biden is losing this election. People are talking more about whether he is even capable of the job and nothing about the good things he can do for the country. His own party is rebelling against him, with Dems from swing states calling for his resignation.

                Biden’s toast, and the DNC with him. It’s unfortunate but it is what it is.

  • Red_October@lemmy.world
    801·
    5 days ago

    Most of the people who think Trump should drop out have been loudly opposing him for a long time. There isn’t just one single thing they object to, no great unifying theme they can point at and say “This is why he should not run,” because Everything about him is a reason why he should absolutely not be president. Even his Felony conviction is, while perhaps more than a drop, just a splash in the bucket of what should be utterly career ending circumstances.

    The people who still support Trump don’t care about any of that. They’re not going to suddenly see one particular turn-off and decide that’s it, that’s why Trump should back out. They’re committed, in too deep, they can’t back down now because it would mean the Libs were actually right all along, and that presents, to them, an existential threat. And in the end, it’s the Republican way.

    When Democrats, even popular ones, fuck up, other Democrats are much more likely to turn on them, to call for and get resignations. With Republicans, that’s almost unheard of. Republicans take Part Unity to an extreme, circling the wagons and assuming a full defensive position no matter how incredibly abhorrent the crime, no matter how blatant the evidence. Today we’re seeing the perfect example. Biden fucked up a debate, stumbling over his own words like an old man well past his prime, and the party is calling for him to step down. Trump has built his whole political career on stumbling over his own words, with the only cogent statements he manages being blatant lies, and his people would rather murder their neighbors than see him lose.

    • Psycoder@lemmy.world
      2233·
      5 days ago

      As much as I agree with everything you say, there is one more thing that needs to be said.

      I started watching the debate fully aware of the fact that Trump was a POS. Trump was a POS in 2016, 2020, and 2024. On the other hand, I started watching the debate hoping to see president Biden could make Trump look even dumber. What I got was a very clearly senile guy that failed to make coherent sentences 10+ times in a 90 minute debate.

      Trump was who he has always been during the debate. Biden was senile during the debate. At this point I’m not asking Biden to drop because I like Trump. That is wrong. I hate Trump. I’m asking Biden to drop because I know he won’t be able to beat Trump. On the other hand, he might have no problem beating medicare.

  • LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    1188·
    5 days ago

    His base are enthusiastically slobbering on his c**k, and most prominent politicians for the gqp seem to be lining up to holster it when his base are done. Not to mention the supreme crunchwrap court are in love with him too.