You get it by coming together. The smart politicians, and the hungry ones, will back the measures if there is enough open and consistent popular support. Remember that it is about power. Political power starts and ends with numbers. Make it more valuable to some to support a change and they will become an ally.
However, this is done only through us coming together in unity, or under one or two strong leaders.
I feel as if not enough people are saying this.
Infighting is a bane. Back when I was on Reddit I got fucking downvoted into oblivion multiple times for pointing out that the Left’s biggest problem, both now and historically, is how we can never agree on anything. That whatever faults the Right has, they will come together just to shit on someone else. If us on the Left stood up in unity we would be a literal human tsunami flooding the bullshit that is the Republican habitual diatribe. Second, and louder, is apathy, as you said.
Starting to wonder if throwing League of Legends level of insults at people might get them angry enough to vote just to show me what’s what.
We do.
The people who legally make the choices for us never seem to want to present them.
For reasons.
Totally valid reasons.
That’s not quite right. It isn’t that voters on the left are quick to abandon. They are fastest at disagreeing. Which, if not checked, will lead towards a desire to abandon.
The one great weakness of the left is our inability to agree to disagree. We all want our right to be the right and will shoot ourselves in the foot to prove it.
Post - Welcome: Irony.
If we all swallowed our disdain and moved forward together, we’d easily outstrip any efforts from the Right to win anything.
It’s interesting, this farce and display of pride and ego. All Biden has to do is one of two things:
Go all- in. Set up another debate. Make sure he’s top of his game. Go full Dark Brandon and absolutely wipe the floor. Then apologize AFTER doing this for his previous bad performance. Do this right, reaaally sell it, and he’ll come out the other side in a better position. Do it wrong and it’ll hurt his campaign even more. Trump doesn’t even have to show up. The point is giving Biden the same opportunity to step up. Toss in some late night talk shows with hard questions. When you have trust to gain back you have to work twice as hard.
Be a leader and talk to us all. Put forth a nominee to take his place. Work with them on the campaign trail and truly ask all of us to step up for our Nation, as one.
AND YET we appear to be getting some silly asinine middle-of-the-road choice.
I like Biden for many of the policies and steps he and his administration have taken these last four years. They’ve done good and sometimes even great things, and made mistakes and done bad things too. Over all, he’s been far from the worst President. Now though is the time to step aside as a leader, or rise into that position and take control.
I’ll say this:
Whether he stays or he goes we all need to figure out a direction soon or be split when it matters most.
Nah, them ordering that stuff is fine, if it’s up to standard. What should really light your fires is that they order these from places that grossly overcharge, and don’t seem to give a fuck. $5000 for a pair of socks is a joke for a reason.
WHICH, my dear potential voters, is why we need to stop fucking arguing with one another and come together, dammit.
It’s REALLY easy:
Stop being idiots.
Pressure Biden to use the recent Supreme Court decision to OUR advantage.
Vote Biden into office for another 4-years.
Continue to be fucking geniuses by holding hands and using those 4 years to fix shit.
If those on the Left actually stopped verbally measuring one another’s dicks and stood united, they would be a force that the Right could not reckon with. The problem is so many of you keep strutting around, beaks in the air, making damned goose calls while collectively peeing into the wind and complaining that your pants keep getting wet.
Gotta tell ya: The atrocities and stress of war doesn’t really seem real until you’re hunkered down in a cab because the truck in front of you took an IED, to use just one scenario. I could throw a few more your way if you like.
Having said that, and here’s the irony, not everyone in the military is “gonna face bombs and killing”. There are huge swaths whose job it is to do anything under the sun that doesn’t involve firing any form of weaponry. Chances are you’d have had to been paying attention at some point in school to know this, or something.
War is shit. The military has good and bad people, and often shit practices. For some people it’s one of the only ways, in the U.S. at least, to stand even a fleeting chance of doing more than becoming a low-rung manager at Walmart.
Remember folks that this argument falls apart the instant you look at policies. Trump and his cronies will do more damage socially and in every other imaginable way. While not perfect, I feel the Democratic side can be fixed. There is no fixing the vicious and malicious mockery that is the modern Republican Party. For now, and if we fight, the Democrats do still listen when under pressure at least some of the time.
So let’s start artificially creating that supply, by demanding.
HA! A reasonable take. Thank you! Sometimes it really does feel like I’m trying to convince a wall to not stand in the way.
I still want him to go full Dark Brandon and save his race by being a complete and unmitigated lunatic pointed at Trump and the GOP.
BUT…
…if you all want him to drop out, you need to push collectively. He has given in before.
WHO do voters want?
People keep saying to run someone.
Who??
Also, why the fuck do we always start to come together and then find a reason to shit all over ourselves? I’m hard left leaning but like fuck man, it’s hard being covered in verbal shit all the time from all the people that seem so intent on arguing against just coming together. The Republicans can do it, and they’re fucking imbeciles…
…who keep winning!
Aside from stepping aside, which is risky let’s all admit - though risky is also staying in - I jokingly, though somewhat firmly believe, that all Biden has to do to see his ratings spike and completely manipulate people is go fucking bananas. Just lean hard into Dark Brandon. Campaign like a motherfucker. Throw out shots left, right, and center. Hop on a couple big stages full energy for two hours.
Basically: All his campaign has to do is twist the narrative. It’d probably work too, though having the idea and accomplishing it are two entirely different monsters. Biden may not be up to acting this piece well enough to sell it. If he did though, I feel he’d come out the other side in a stronger position.
Due to my own biases, I can’t think of anyone else who’d be able to go up against a name like Trump. He won’t step on anymore debate stages. He won’t play fair. Recognition is, I think, very important right now.
“The Republicans are the problem.” (actually fair)
“The democrats are the problem.”
“The [insert dice roll here] are the problem.”
It’s more complicated than one or another. So taking into account that all parties are currently “the problem” with Republicans being absolutely 100% on top of the fuck off list of naughty naysayers, I argue that YOU are also the problem, my dear voter.
So look, Lemmy is a leftist, and to some degree, progressive vacuum consumed by a desire to see better days. We have our trickle-in bright red-orange tarts to displace some sentiment, though mostly we all want similar things. The problem though is that we are all just too fucking opinionated on precisely where and how to do “it”. Like fuck, guys, here’s our narrative:
"Biden Harris is a good bad mediocre handicapped stable president old man who had a cold raspy voice that still answered, didn’t answer, could have answered, more harder faster. His policies are good great bad awful, work, and we need to get him back into office, probably, maybe, someone else, not Trump.
You all collectively sounding like a certain riddle-giving Statue guarding a mad tyrants vault.
We fucking agree on so god. damned. much. But like fuck all if all of you aren’t so hung up on the petty details and discourse within your own neigh disillusionment that you can’t help but yell at one another over stupid bullshit.
Shut up and come together for fucking once. Because if there is one thing the right has that ANY group left of the bipartisan line doesn’t have, it’s the ability to hate each other and still act together when the stakes are the highest.
K.
So…Trump then?
It’s always fascinating to witness, in an age of easily accessible information, not a person who parrots cruel words or malicious ideas, but rather someone who is so wholly and completely ignorant you’d expect them to tell you a story about how they used to live under a rock before some dudes in white coats thawed them from an ice slab.
In this thread:
Everyone not on the Right doing what they do best:
Argue incessantly with one another.
And ya’ll wonder why the Left struggles so often.
The best case is the dems pushing him aside and going to fucking town with another candidate.
The second best, and possibly sleeper choice, is Biden taking this atrocious debate performance and going apeshit to fix it, by forcing the dems to follow his lead. Assuming he was feeling under the weather enough to cause that display. This could be turned around with enough pissed off energy behind it because that’s what the Dems need to do: Step up, fire back, and actually fight fire with fire for once. No more of the upturned nose. They would gain supporters this way and if done correctly Biden would set himself up in a better position than prior to the debate.
You can guess, though, which one is a more dangerous decision.
With questionable situations like this I take into account two possibilities:
“We shall do this thing unless a thing happens that convinced us not too!”
Hail Hydra!