There are two things that will lose the election for Democrats if they don’t get them under control.
- Infighting and arguing over who the candidate should be.
- The “All is lost” attitude.
If people don’t stop fighting and trying to convince themselves that it’s not worth it to go to the polls then this is game over.
I feel as if not enough people are saying this.
Infighting is a bane. Back when I was on Reddit I got fucking downvoted into oblivion multiple times for pointing out that the Left’s biggest problem, both now and historically, is how we can never agree on anything. That whatever faults the Right has, they will come together just to shit on someone else. If us on the Left stood up in unity we would be a literal human tsunami flooding the bullshit that is the Republican habitual diatribe. Second, and louder, is apathy, as you said.
Starting to wonder if throwing League of Legends level of insults at people might get them angry enough to vote just to show me what’s what.
It’s because the Democratic party is a coalition. The Democratic party ISN’T LEFT. It’s a party made up of moderates (right wingers) and liberals.
It’s essentially two different political philosophies trying to operate within one party.
Which is why ranked choice voting allows people to better represent their candidate preferences. All the variety of political opinion can’t be represented in two parties.
First past the post got us in this mess and it sure as shit ain’t gonna get us out of it. I’ll take a straw poll over what our current system is.
Ranked Choice voting allows for the kind of direct democratic action as we just saw in France and what they finally got around to doing in the UK with the most recent elections.
However, it’s against the best interest of the current politicians in power.
How do we get Ranked Choice on ballot when the DNC won’t even use it in their primaries?
You get it by coming together. The smart politicians, and the hungry ones, will back the measures if there is enough open and consistent popular support. Remember that it is about power. Political power starts and ends with numbers. Make it more valuable to some to support a change and they will become an ally.
However, this is done only through us coming together in unity, or under one or two strong leaders.
The other problem with Democrats is they have terrible fucking strategy. Then they get this bright fucking idea to take a page out of Biden’s handbook. In what conceivable world was it a good idea to run an 81-year-old who all but promised to be a bridge candidate to a younger generation?
Yeah, guys, let’s “rally” blindly around the guy for whom 75% of the fucking electorate find is not cognitively fit to run for a 2nd term. Real genius strategy. It’s like they completely forget about low-info undecided swing voters.
It’s like they ALWAYS employ the wrong strategy 2 cycles too fucking late.
The thing I’d like to see more of is people (outside of here) admitting they’re voting for Biden even tho he’s not ideal. We all know who trump is, and Biden gets a lot of flack, and I think it’s going to persuade a lot of people from going out and voting.
People need to know that it’s acceptable, encouraged even, to vote for the guy who isn’t as bad, even if you don’t like him. Just because you don’t agree with everything he says or does, you agree with him more than the other guy.
Im in some groups with some trumpers, and I’ll throw out memes making fun of trump, then they just say stupid incomprehensible things about Biden and I say “lol good one” and they don’t know what the fuck to do
Infighting and arguing over who the candidate should be.
Agreed.
I don’t care if its Biden, Harris, or anyone else you put up. But yall need to pick fucking somebody and stick with the pick.
I’m sticking with Biden and Harris in that order until someone gives me a better option. And after weeks following the last debate, no one has given me a seriously better option.
Infighting and arguing over who the candidate should be. The “All is lost” attitude.
“Democrats must fall in love; Conservatives must fall in line.”
The hand-wringing is normal: it’s a characteristic, core to the democratic party but almost completely absent from the Republicans where it’s replaced by loyalty.
The funny thing about the “fall in love, fall in line” bit is that the GOP obviously doesn’t like Trump and would rather have a more predictable, controllable candidate, but there are too many cultists “in love” with Trump specifically for them to ditch him.
The GOP absolutely loves Trump. They say they don’t like him but often parrot and amplify his talking points.
The GOP loves the votes that Trump brings in, not Trump.
I don’t think there’s much of a difference between the two with the flip flopping and rhetoric that has been rampant since 2016
This article from 2022 sums it up nicely
I can dig up more direct quotes if you like, but suffice to say the GOP are all in on the Trump brand. I don’t think the difference is the nuanced argument you would like it to be. Lots of high ranking Nazis in the post war era talked about how much they hated Hitler. Fascism is a self serving ideology, they love you until they have no use for you, look at how Ben Shapiro is currently floundering for a modern example.
And Democrats ignore the axiom entirely and keep ordering their constituency to fall in line.
Infighting should definitely be avoided. So they should agree on a different candidate as a unified party
You’re missing option: 3. Completely ignore reality and pretend Biden has a snowballs chance in hell of wining.
It should not be this hard to beat Trump. I’m so tired of sub-standard candidates.
The minority party being allowed so much influence is the problem. We need more voting laws to stop this ASAP.
The monkeys paw curls. Texas has implemented more laws to stop minorities from voting
It should not be this hard to beat Trump. I’m so tired of sub-standard candidates.
I’m pretty sure reasonable people everywhere have said that about populist candidates in general. And yet you have to ask, if they are so easy to beat why would any reasonable person either vote for them or not vote at all, even if the alternative sucks. Knowing the stakes, WHY?
Voter apathy in the Democratic Party is what will kill it. There are far more liberals than there are conservatives, but about half of liberals just don’t vote. It’s ridiculous and incomprehensible.
Agree 100%
Is it apathy or acquiescence?
It’s completely comprehensible. Since 2000, the impression has been that if you’re not in a swing state, your vote doesn’t matter. This impression, whether factual or not, has been helped along by candidates and the media. Factor in that we have two conservative parties, one that is dashing towards fascism, and the other sometimes wears a rainbow sticker while casually strolling towards fascism, and it’s completely understandable why many on the left don’t vote. It’s not a helpful mentality, but depression rarely is helpful.
The worst part is cognitive decline is real. We’re seeing it.
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Trump and Biden are only 3 years apart.
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3 years.
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The difference is, Joe surrounds himself with competence. He picked a VP who wouldn’t make a terrible President. He also doesn’t have shitty impulses to play with big government military toys at baseline that he’s falling back on right now.
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Can we say the same for Trump? What does his less competent more impulsive at baseline ass do in full cognitive decline?
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And yet we’re sitting in this geriatric hole. With a China-Russia-Korea alliance looming, plus whatever the fuck is happening on the daily in the Middle East. Our neighbors are cool, thankfully, but conflict doesn’t need to be neighbor based or on the same continent these days. Yea, we have shit in our own house and it stinks, but the rest of the globe isn’t going to stop existing while we fight it out.
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Complacency and inertia are scary. And that’s what’s been running the DNC for years.
Biden is being selfish period. If it is about the team, then why Biden. Biden gets on television saying only he can do it. That he is the only one that can beat Trump. If he is the CEO of the Democrats, then they can change the CEO and keep the same employees.
You’re not wrong.
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This is what complacency and inertia gets us, this horror show where we all need a good scream and cry. RBG was a Queen right up until she banked on waiting for Hillary before retirement. I get it, wanting the first female President to a point her replacement, but she fucked up, miscalculated. Even the best of us fucks up, and Joe isn’t firing on all cylinders any more. Expecting him to think as well as either of us, going forward, would be a mistake.
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Jon Stewart podcast it was brought up that white male establishment guys like Joe probably arent capable of just handing power to a black woman. I mean, historically in America, how often have we seen that, if ever? Again, inertia rules the day.
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A lot of things should happen, but inertia rules people. Some people go their entire lives and then die without ever really moving outside of the inertial force of their own little existence. DNC has exponential momentum gathered on its inertia, its like, oh shit, I just had an image of The Boys pop into my head, the scene where Hughie’s GF is killed by A-Train. Can the DNC stop? They’ve been running on this lazy momentum for a while now.
Jon Stewart podcast it was brought up that white male establishment guys like Joe probably arent capable of just handing power to a black woman.
He was vp to a Black President, what kind of idiocy is this?
Biden can’t be racist, he has a black friend!
He already did it once. And he’s done a pretty good job as president, though the media doesn’t really cover this fact. I think he can do it again.
He’s done okay for someone who has compromised with Republicans to give them concessions in order to get legislation passed. His stance on Israel has been detrimental to his campaign. He’s taken on some easy wins like marijuana reclassification. There is a lot of issues with current legislation that hurts middle-class workers still that he hasn’t done anything about. People face these issues regularly in the workforce, which doesn’t build trust. He hasn’t done enough to ensure a win against Trump, and the polls show that.
I blame the media. Obviously they are not on Biden’s side, obviously they are not going to publicize his victories. He’s made more progress on issues I care about than any president in my lifetime. I think Bernie would have been way, way better.
I’m curious, what issues do you care about that you believe he’s made more progress on than any candidate in your lifetime?
- Infrastructure
- Going after monopolies
- Student loan forgiveness
- Marijuana decriminalization
- General economic direction
So Infrastructure Bill gives $65 billion to companies monopolies… yet, they’ve ran out of money for ACP:
Does these companies actually use the money to expand broadband?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/10/25/broadband-subsidies-coronavirus-aid/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/isps-keep-giving-false-broadband-coverage-data-to-the-fcc-groups-say/
It gives $110 billion for roads, bridges and other major projects… and a bridge that spans just 0.67 miles costing 10 billion dollars and construction expecting to take 10 years. So, we’re talking maybe 10 small bridges, as the costs keep increasing.
The antitrust thing is a good start, but Biden has gave too much leniency to the courts which the higher courts were stacked by Trump. Unless Biden were to do something about the Supreme Court, like most cases… Big business and corporate donors will prevail.
Same with student loan forgiveness. It is a good start, but it has been overturned time and time again in the courts. Furthermore, it doesn’t deal with how majority of companies who are now “paying” for school for employees and then owning them for a long duration despite poor and unsafe working conditions. Biden has largely failed on improving employment & benefit legislation which has been broken.
Marijuana decriminalization: Marijuna is still illegal under federal law and has not yet been decriminalized. His change in classification would not actually decriminalize it under federal law.
General economic direction: Have you looked at housing prices recently? Biden’s economy benefits the wealthy and hurts the middle and lower class workers. Inflation has increased significantly above wages.
Biden said that 50 other democrats could beat trump. I believe him and i don’t even know who he is talking about.
I 100% voting for Biden now. I hate this voting system.
I feel like both parties are trying as hard as they can to lose this election.
Statement dreamed up by the utterly deranged.
Biden should have dropped out in ‘23 and allowed for a real primary contest. Instead he and his neoliberal ilk shouted down anyone talking sense, and now his ego will cost America everything. Congrats Joe, you’ll go down in history after all.
Assuming that is true; what’s your proposal to fix this now?
Whitmer/Bootyjudge 2024
No! Butt YES!
We broke it, and now it’s your fault for not knowing how to fix it.
Blame the left for everything. Swing so far right that we implement project 2025 before Trump even takes office. Win over all right wing voters. Biden wins again gg no re.
I highly highly doubt Biden has another half decade of useful life left.
I’ll say it to I’m blue in the face:
Either party can guarantee victory by running literally anyone except Biden or trump.
*Obviously not Hillary tho
If Biden steps down, trump is toast if he stays.
If trump steps down, there goes Biden’s entire campaign.
The crazies want Trump.
Who are they going to vote for? If Trump isn’t the Republican candidate, you think they would vote for a Democrat?
They’d vote for Trump. We both know he wouldn’t stop running. Vote splits, dems win.
The pro-trump crazies aren’t the majority of the Republican party anymore.
One of them literally just shot him a couple days ago in case you haven’t heard…
The pro-trump crazies aren’t the majority of the Republican party anymore.
this is an underappreciated truth, but they quite clearly control the party. the dems need to give a reason for a solid majority of people to get off their asses and vote - apparently the threat of a literal fucking fascist takeover isnt quite enough.
“I’m not trump!” is typical dem fantasy BS at this point. the maga crazies taste blood and are about to frenzy feed.
this is an underappreciated truth, but they quite clearly control the party
Moderate Dems don’t represent the Dem party either. But they control it.
Both parties are controlled by the most rightwing factions, even tho most of the voters don’t like it.
So we end up with most people voting against someone and not for anyone.
That’s how we end up with 2/3s if the country not being happy if either of the two main parties win.
Then name a name.
Who has that kind of charisma and name recognition, with no baggage, that they can storm in like the Koolaid man and take this election?
No? Yeah, I didn’t think so. You have been shitting on Biden every thread, even non-Biden related posts, for this entire election year and have never offered an alternative.
You’d have to be blind not to see the news articles dropping names for the past few weeks.
Whitmer
Newsom
Shapiro
Walz
Buttigieg
Generic Democrat
Even Harris polls better than Biden
Whitmer, Shaprio, Walz, Buttigieg all don’t have the nationwide name recognition needed to hit the ground running with so little time before elections.
Newsom only has name recognition because the Right has been demonizing him for years because they recognized him as a threat. We’d just have a repeat of Hillary.
I’m not saying that these wouldn’t make decent candidates in a normal Primary time frame. But it would spell disaster to pivot to any of these candidates this late in the race.
Four months is not “so little time”. And I agree that Shapiro and Walz have branding issues, but 4 months, the entire news media and DNC war chest would be enough to solve that. Newsom doesn’t have nearly the baggage Hillary had either. Hillary had baggage going back to 1992. Newsom has baggage from ~5 years ago? At that point there’s no one qualified to run, not even Biden.
It’s short enough time that a new nominee would literally be disqualified from the ballot in some states.
The only state that requires certification before the convention is Ohio. A state we aren’t counting on and have little to no chance to win unless we suddenly run Reagan 2.0.
There’s 49 other states that would still be in play, including all of the normal blue states and swing states.
blue in the face
I’m now imagining a debate where the republican candidate is red faced screaming and the democrat candidate is turning blue due to screaming and forgetting to breathe.
I mean I’m not going to not vote. Maybe I’m unusual, but I learned how to juggle being a nihilist without any hope with still doing the right thing a long time ago.
Why does that crow have a wifebeater?
Steve beats his wife, clearly.
The case may be that no news development can dramatically change the race’s trajectory because the partisan bases for the two candidates are broad and firm, and the “double haters” in the middle will continue to double their hate.
If the contours of the race remained fixed, its outcome may hinge upon the quality of their two parties’ get-out-the-vote operations
Agree with you completely on these points.
The undecided voter is a myth, I’ve never met one.
It’s from the article which nobody seemed to read. I also happen to believe it’s true.
Was wondering why you had it in quotes! Ha.
The real truth is in the comments.
I indented them. In any case,the polls are not changing. Still close with slight margin inside the error rate for Trump. I too believe this will be a get out the vote election.
Trump getting shot at has helped his side’s “get out to vote” equation though.
That’s what scares me. They’re invigorated by recent events. I don’t think they’re any larger than before, but they’re definitely more motivated now.
True, but three months is a lifetime in US politics. Add to that,Biden has built out local offices to handle GOTV. Trump hasn’t
Any source that protects Biden right?
Bwahahahahahaha! Yeah, right.
Yes. Biden can still win.
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