The discourse around Biden exiting the race is moot because the only one who decides if he continues is Biden. Biden is still running so nothing changes. Biden is who we need to vote for to keep our democracy.
Biden had a bad debate performance. It was a missed opportunity to pick up new voters. Biden demoralized his base. But we’re still stuck with him, because there is no external mechanism to stop him from running.
The most effective tool we have to prevent the christo-fascist takeover this November is voting. The debate did not change that.
I don’t understand this chain of logic why we need to keep Biden:
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Biden isn’t the best candidate.
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Only Biden can drop (false)
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Biden will never make the adult decision to retire.
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We have to plow forward with Biden because he’ll never change his mind on anything.
Like, the argument for why Biden has to stay, is just reasons he shouldn’t stay…
And it’s not just up to him. It’s up to the DNC.
We are not stuck with Biden.
Biden and the DNC just know that’s the only way people will vote for him, so they’ve been reporting it for like 5 years now.
Only Biden can drop
This is a true statement. Biden won the primary. The delegates are pledged to him. Biden is the one who has to decide if he drops out.
Ah yes, the DNC, known for making good decisions for our democracy. How they trusted Hillary on us leading to the election of Trump.
We just need ranked choice voting at a national scale. Until that happens we’re going to keep dealing with this bullshit. A lot of Republicans don’t want to elect a fascist anymore than a lot of democrats don’t want to elect a geriatric. But just like democrats a lot of those Republicans think they have no choice. These could all have been avoided with a different voting system and the more moderate members of each party could have voted together.
I agree with you, but the system is just fucking broken.
Until that happens we’re going to keep dealing with this bullshit.
Bruh…
The current DNC is not going to support RCV. Some state parties might, but the DNC is run by moderates who know most of their votes are because literally the only other option is a Republican.
To get rcv, we need to get a progressive president who will actually try to fix the DNC.
Obama wasn’t perfect, and he made a lot of mistakes.
But the one that keeps fucking us over is instead of fixing the DNC when he had a shot, he just ignored them because they just ignored him in 08.
If Obama had tried to fix the DNC, Bernie would have won in 2016, would be exiting his second term, and likely handing the torch to president AOC.
trump would still be known as a shitty reality TV host, and we’d all be better off.
At this point tho, the DNC may be beyond saving.
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The guy didn’t ace a debate with a sore throat and jet-lag so the media loses its shit. The orange liar has rape and 34 felony convictions- crickets. Nothing new here.
There are two standards. Everyone expects Republicans to be lying shitheads so when they are, no one is surprised.
We somehow just accept this.
We’re past “preventing” the Christo-fascist takeover. We’re in damage control now.
VOTE.
The christo-fascists are not in complete control of all three branches of government yet. That is why this election and voting is so important. Calling it early is both inaccurate and unhelpful.
Biden was tired from too many engagements, jet lag and a sore throat. You could see he was tried. On the other hand, the orange felon/rapist/liar had one job - to not be an asshole - he failed spectacularly.
Yeah, at least Trump didn’t gain any ground. Biden lost the battle, but we’re still fighting the war.
He spent an entire week focusing on just this debate at Camp David.
Why would he be tired? What other engagements did he have?
Can the party not compel him to step down and elect a more healthy replacement.
There is no mechanism at this stage that can force him to do so that I am aware of. They can of course try to convince him, but no one from Biden’s inner circle, like Jill Biden, or any of the hypothetical candidates people like to float, like Gavin Newsom, has expressed interest in doing that.
the only one who decides if he continues is Biden … vote for to keep our democracy.
I … I don’t think that’s a democracy.
Biden won the Democratic Party’s primary election so he is going to be the Democratic Party’s candidate. That is democracy.
Ah yes. Demos is greek for the democratic party.
In a democracy, the person who wins an election gets the position they ran for.
If there is only one predetermined person running does it still count as “winning”?
How is it different with two predetermined people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries
Other people ran in the Democratic Party’s primary. As is typical of US politics, the incumbent president won their primary.
Biden and Trump both won their primaries, because people in their respective parties voted for Biden and Trump. Trump had even more challengers than Biden did. This outcome wasn’t predetermined, just predictable.
Hillary Clinton vs Jeb Bush in 2016 was predictable. But as we saw with Trump’s win, not predetermined.
I’m running on an independent ticket. My platform: Unlike the other two candidates no one wonders if I can physically handle the journey from back stage to the podium.
You’re the hero we needed and the hero we deserved.
I’m fucking serious, one of the talking heads on the news said Biden needed to “remain upright” to come off well in this debate. That was said of the currently serving commander-in-chief!
Unlike the actual President Of These United States of America, the 24 hour news cycle probably expects more out of me than “can stand up straight for 30 minutes without incident.”
Remember when Trump made a point to demonstrate his ability to lift and drink from a glass of water?
Seriously next time these two appear on stage I want them to step through a hoop to prove there are no wires.
I pessimistically expected that.
If he bowed out and the Dems nominated a halfway decent candidate (which they likely wouldn’t do, but that’s a different subject), they’d demolish Trump. He’d lose so badly he couldn’t even pretend it was fraudulent (though of course he’d claim that anyway, since he has the emotional maturity of a spoiled five-year-old). The race would instantly go from a terrifying risk to a complete rout.
But between Biden’s ego and the DNC’s determination to stick with a wholly-owned establishment neoliberal hack at all costs - even if it means losing - I expected that they wouldn’t take this golden opportunity.
On the stream of the debate I was watching, when they took a break they showed clips from previous debates and the difference was kind of mind-blowing.
I honestly kind of think that even a mid-level candidate who didn’t make it like Romney or Kerry probably could have mopped the floor with either one of them.
Also as a side note, how lucky is Donald Trump? Just a whole life of being handed infinite money no matter how many times he fucked up a business, a bewildering assortment of crimes with essentially no hard consequences, and two presidential runs against pretty much the only two people he has any chance of beating in a debate.
He’s had a life of almost non-stop softballs. It’s kind of wild really.
Well he’s had the KGB in Russian mining oligarchs looking out for him for the last 40 years.
But between Biden’s ego and the DNC’s determination to stick with a wholly-owned establishment neoliberal hack at all costs - even if it means losing - I expected that they wouldn’t take this golden opportunity.
Biden has objectively been the most progressive president since LBJ, and the most effective progressive president since FDR. And he did it with about the slimmest possible congressional margins, a situation which would have made it very easy for an actual “establishment neoliberal hack” to say “my hands are tied” and accomplish nothing of substance. Instead we got the biggest climate reform package ever, the biggest infrastructure package since the Interstate Highway system, a child tax credit that massively reduced child poverty, the most significant industrial policy in decades (CHIPS and Science), a veritable bulldog FTC chair with an aggressive anti-monopoly stance, and that’s just for starters.
That’s all well and good… And it will be for nothing. Biden’s legacy will be that of RBG - your hubris handed the future to the opposition. These are dark days.
This is simply fan fic.
Who exactly? I think you underestimate the power of being an incumbent.
“I know I’m not a young man, to state the obvious,” the 81-year-old Biden said Friday. “I don’t walk as easy as I used to. I don’t speak as smoothly. I don’t debate as well as I used to. But I know what I do know. I know how to tell the truth. I know right from wrong and I know how to do this job.”
trump didn’t think he was wrong when he was breaking human rights laws on our southern border.
And Biden apparently doesn’t either now that he’s doing it.
My point being the people who do evil shit, usually dont think of themselves as evil.
The problem with Biden, is on issues like Israel where the vast majority of not only his party but the country won’t him him to calm the fuck down. He never will
Because he is absolutely sure his outdated morals are the best, and he’s not listening to anyone that disagrees with him.
This gonna be the first time you have to choose between the lesser of two evils?
Personally, that has been the only way I’ve ever been able to fucken vote and I’m sick of it.
And yet, I seem to be the only one voting for Spiderman. I liked his policy on stopping the Sinister Six.
The lesser of two evils is exactly how we fucking got her in the first place.
You get a chance to vote for your dream candidate in the primary.
If they’re not on the ballot in the general, that’s because other voters didn’t find your dream candidate so dreamy.
Bullshit.
The primary process is so heavily fucked between superdelegates, and games played by the DNC that it’s pointless to even try.
Or did you forget it was the superdelegates that fucked Bernie in the early primary, as well as all the other games like removing his access to voter roles for a bug that was reported by his staff,
As well as the first few states generally dictate the course of the primary.
You’d have a point if a) every state primaries on the same day, b) superdelegates didn’t exist, and c) the DNC abided by its own rules.
Bernie Sanders got fewer votes than Clinton in 2016 and fewer votes than Biden in 2020. That’s why he wasn’t the nominee.
Politics ain’t beanbag. If you can’t get the most votes than you deserve to go home.
Progressive paradox. Simultaneously so popular but can never get enough votes.
They know and they love it.
Maybe everybody should just vote for me. I’ll end our support for Isreal. I’ll massively increase our support for Ukraine, and I’ll send George Clooney a birthday card every year with a pop-up middle finger, that pops out of a card that says “You’re getting older, you smug fuck!”
Also bacon. Just…just bacon.
got my vote with bacon.
Don’t pretend this is a normal choice. The whole context has shifted since the debate - Biden is unfit, we are still gonna say hold your nose and vote?
Maybe he just knows more than you about this, and you’re the one that’s got it wrong.
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You’re not wrong…but the other option is trump.
We’re all fucked.
Biden could commit to only serving one more year and let the VP pick go to a brokered convention.
Biden has already committed to serving four more years.
He has to put up a strong front at this point, to keep the confidence of voters. But he could absolutely resign a year in… either planned or due to some new development, e.g. illness.
He is physically incapable of this, he just demonstrated that to us. Strong front? Who are we talking about? We seriously need to wake up, its over for Dems if there is no pivot. Any other conversation is copium.
He probably shouldn’t serve another week. Where the fuck is the democratic leadership on this?
What is this neofascist fan fiction?
Biden beat Trump once and he can beat Trump again.
