Fuck you for trying to spin it that way, Biden.
I don’t want you as the candidate because the shit you’re saying indicates you straight up don’t understand the stakes. You said that you’d “feel fine, because you gave it your all”. Meanwhile, I’ll be out here dodging fucking 3%er and Proud Boy paramilitary squads that Trump will surely deputize with an “official act”, which will be very legal and very cool as per the Tribunal of Six’s recent decision.
Your head is not in the game. You are stuck not only in the sunk-cost fallacy, but also up your own ass. You are not trying hard enough. You are not using the right tactics. At this point I seriously doubt you even understand what the right tactics are.
We are trying to fight against fascism, and you’re going to fucking hand it to the fascists. Get out of our fucking way.
I’ve read a number of comments like yours and have always been curious about this sentiment.
I feel similarly iffy about the whole process. Despite that, I can’t think of a viable alternative at this point in time that wouldn’t lead to a disastrous result.
I genuinely want to know: if he does step down and give way to another candidate, who do you have in mind? Is it one person? Is it multiple? Or are we just hoping that if he steps down, a magical better candidate will show up?
Harris, Newsom, and Whitmer would probably be my top 3 picks for viability. Of those three, I think Whitmer would be my favorite choice, but I think Newsom would be the most pragmatic choice (and to be clear, there is a LOT I don’t like about Newsom, despite the fact that I align with him on a decent number of issues) in the context of electability (white, male, a touch religious but not overly so, charismatic, great public speaker). I think Harris is uninspiring and the wrong choice for a TON of reasons, but the establishment will probably stick with her if they are somehow forced to not go with Biden simply because she’s currently VP.
But, you know, that’s what primaries are supposed to be. We’re not really supposed to have the DNC essentially just playing kingmaker and doing cloak and dagger shit behind the scenes so their Chosen One ends up guaranteed to clinch the nomination. Unfortunately, the DNC is basically run by corporatist neoliberals at this point, so they aren’t interested in doing that… and they’re also unwilling to admit that such attitudes are precisely how we got here in the first fucking place.
We got Trump because “it was her turn”. And I will NEVER fucking forgive Hillary for that. It’s abundantly clear that the “adults in the room” at the DNC have no fucking idea what they’re doing.
Yeah, the best case scenario was Biden not running for 2024 from the beginning so we could have proper primaries, and align behind the winner. That’s how it should have been handled.
But it’s too late. None of the candidates you mentioned are strong enough to rally behind this late in the race. Each state would need to figure out a makeshift primary and then align, or DNC would have to choose, which would make it Harris by default. It would be an absolute disaster.
I mean… you and I can armchair general the situation until we’re blue in the face, but the fact remains that the debate and his subsequent interview last Friday (that was supposed to allay concerns, but ended up stoking them - albeit, for me at least, in a different direction) have made not only random joes like me lose confidence in his ability to pull out a win in November, but sitting legislators, party insiders, and the donor class as well. Biden and his campaign are handling this whole thing like rank amateurs and imbeciles, and I’m furious about it because I understand exactly what the implications are if we fail to stop the fascists from winning the election… and neither Biden nor his campaign seem to be taking that as seriously as it needs to be taken.
Would all those guys lose to Trump? Probably. Will Biden lose to Trump? Definitely. I’ll take long odds over no odds.
No one polls better what are you smoking???
The real reason why no one polls better is that everyone else is a hypothetical right now Even if you phrase the poll as “If Biden backs out, and is replaced by $NAME, will you support $NAME?”, people still have their own preferences and that will make it into the poll. They may be secretly hoping for AOC or Michelle Obama or Beyoncé, and say “No” because of that.
But after Biden leaves, if the question is “Now that the candidate is $NAME, will you support $NAME”, I think you will find a lot of support rallying behind that person. Because there’s no choice at that point.
You’re right, but you aren’t acknowledging that the current path we are on is an absolute disaster too.
Bidens poll numbers are 12-15% lower than they were 4 years ago when he barely defeated Trump.
To win now, Biden needs to pull off the biggest comeback in US presidential history. And the political fallout from Biden’s disastrous debate and interview performances hasn’t even settled yet.
With Harris, at least we would have a shot at defeating Trump.
But did he slam them, too?
Old Joe’s got everybody mad at him. Elites. Big money donors. Etc. Everybody it seems bur Democratic voters. Polls are the same as before the debate.
Because those votes are mainly votes against Trump and even a trash can would probably pull in similar protest votes. All the more reason the idea of a better candidate that people are even slightly more enthusiastic over could push those numbers up
Yep. I’m voting against Trump, not for Biden. Trump could run against a rock for all I care.
You realize the Venn diagram of “Candidates the DNC financiers support” and “Candidates that would get more support than Joe Biden” doesn’t actually overlap, right?
If campaign financing is the primary consideration then we deserve the shit storm that’s coming.
Therein lies the rub. There aren’t any democrats that poll better.
No other democrat is campaigning though…
True. However, national exposure is a large factor and even if there was someone vetted, they still will walk unintroduced on the national stage.
There aren’t any democrats that poll better
Factually untrue.
This has Biden down 6 points. And Kamala only down 2.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html
But your comparing Biden as “the candidate” with the DNC and millions of dollars of campaign against people that haven’t even said they’re willing to run…
Obviously anyone else that becomes the candidate would see a significant boost to their numbers both short and long term.
But others also are polling closer (better) than Biden…
Several other Democrats have been mentioned as potential Biden replacements in recent days, and each trails Trump among registered voters, with their levels of support similar to Biden’s, including California Gov. Gavin Newsom (48% Trump to 43% Newsom), Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (47% Trump to 43% Buttigieg), and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (47% Trump to 42% Whitmer).
That’s 4 people polling better than Biden in the last couple days…
Weird you haven’t seen it yet.
Yeah.
The vast majority willing to vote for Biden, would vote “blue no matter who”.
Which means logically, switching candidates is the smartest plan if all that matters is stopping trump.
But a very small, very vocal group of Biden voters (and even Biden) seem to be lying about what’s most important. I still can’t believe Biden really said he wouldn’t care if he lost.
If they can’t get Biden. A Republican is their second pick.
They just won’t admit it.
But it’s the only logical reason people would be insisting it has to be Biden. Just like Joe, they don’t care if trump wins.
Any candidate but Harris would not have access to the money already raised.
Historically, the candidate who raises the most money wins (ignoring 2016).
Meaning the only option the democrats have is to put Harris at the top of the ticket.
What the fuck are you talking about? You just decided to lie like that? That’s wild
? What is this in reference to?
My bad, I typed up a whole response to you but apparently never sent it and now it’s gone. Here’s a brief reply
My criticism was about the claim that only Harris could use the campaign money. It’s ridiculous to think they wouldn’t support the DNC’s candidate. Besides that, there are tons PACs that can use the money they’ve received from donors for basically whatever they want.
From what I just read yesterday, the majority of money was donated to the Biden/Harris campaign, not the DNC. Harris has to be on the ticket for all of that money to follow through, otherwise you are looking at a very small percentage of money transferring.
For instance, when Sanders dropped out, none of the money he raised automatically went to Clinton or Biden. Campaigns still have to follow campaign contribution laws when they donate to others.
If Biden drops out (I am leading toward he shouldn’t but fully side with the argument that he should if we lived in a perfect world), Harris has to be on the ticket or Trump is almost certainly the victor based off history alone.
What did they lie about?
Ouch. I typed up a whole reply to them but apparently never sent it and now it’s gone. Sigh. Oh well. I’ll reply to them next
My criticism was about their claim that only Harris could use the campaign money. It’s ridiculous to think that they wouldn’t support the DNC’s candidate. Besides that, there are tons PACs that can use the money they’ve received from donors for basically whatever they want.
The reply was maybe a bit harsh, in hindsight, but I keep seeing that parroted around like it’s undoubtedly true. It’s clearly just being repeated and not said with any significant critical thought. I mean, if we had a brokered convention it would be all hands on deck at the DNC.
The polls are worse, by a lot. He is absolutely sinking and not coming back.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/poll-debate-biden-trump.html
Funny how I’m suddenly one of the elites. I guess my opinion doesn’t reach him, so his definition probably stands.
The problem is that plenty of non-elites also want him to exit the race; they just don’t have the option of urging him to do it.
Clearly he’s got aides helping him do most stuff. That’s not unheard of for any political official, but I imagine he’s just going along with it like Reagan at the end of his term.
When he’s by himself on a debate podium, you can see he’s not doing great.
However, Trump is worse. They’re two old men and you can see Biden is a calm older man slowly slipping. Trump is mad at everyone and everything, refuses help, and requires everyone to be a sycophant around him to placate his ego. The only way people get what they want out of him is to steer the bull in the direction of the China shop they want destroyed. He’s an old man yelling at the TV, and we all have to hear him.
That said, one of them can, will, and has done more damage than the other. That’s why I’d vote for Biden. The meme of “live Biden > dead Biden > dead Trump > live Trump” comes to mind.
meme of “live Biden > dead Biden > dead Trump > live Trump” comes to mind
Those aren’t the only four options…
If the DNC Americaned up and booted Biden, they can nominate a live and competent person, who would easily win by simply not being trump AND not being Biden.
Ok, who?
They’d need name recognition, money, and influence to catch up. Who do you think would be a good pick that seems interested in the job?
They’d need name recognition, money, and influence to catch up
They’d be a household name in 48 hours max.
Unless Biden acts like a spoiled toddler, he’d hand over every penny. Even if he didn’t, most is in the BVF which is mostly controlled by the DNC. Lots of people, big and small, would donate to stop trump, that’s where a lot of Biden’s money is already coming from. Not being trump.
What influence is needed?
They have a pulse and arent named trump or Biden… That’s enough these days
Who do you think would be a good pick that seems interested in the job?
Anyone besides Hillary Clinton should be able to pull it off.
But I don’t see the DNC appointing anyone but Kamala.
I didn’t downvote you, but thanks for downvoting me and not answering the question.
But I don’t see the DNC appointing anyone but Kamala.
And I downvoted you because that question has been asked so many times, it doesn’t contribute to any discussion.
I don’t know why people care about votes tho.
LOL, the term “elite/elitism” has lost all meaning.
Look at me, I’m an Elite! All this time I thought I was just some broke ass white boy.
Ah, yes, the elites, like -checks notes- 75% of the country.
75% of the country
Or, 25% of voters who aren’t stooges for a party that wants to buy yachts while the people starve.
…what?
Alright they have to stop using “Biden blasts” in article titles XD.
He needs to fuck off. I’ll vote for literally any D. But he’ll lose us the Republic.
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“I’m getting so frustrated by the elites in the party” calling on him to step down, the president fumed. “I don’t care what the millionaires think.”
Reminder the majority of party leaders and billionaire donors are the only ones still supporting him…
He’s just bald face lying to voters. Or he’s so far gone he really believes it
When the patient starts getting prefrontal cortex damage (including for normal age related issues) the patient often can’t handle any criticism and responds to any criticism (no matter how valid) with belligerence.
It’s the same if it’s a TBI, alcohol/drugs, lead poisoning, literally any of the shit ton of things that effect the prefrontal cortex.
Biden is reacting to all of this in exactly the same way anyone else in his shoes would.
But that’s a problem and even more reason to replace him
In the next four years he won’t get better, he’ll keep getting worse. And I think we can all agree there has already been a large change just since 2020.
Do you ever get sleep? You post anti biden shit nonstop.
7,170 comments in a year. That comes to 19.2 comments per day, every single day, for the past year. The user you’re responding to has serious mental health issues.
Edit: Fifty-nine in the past 24 hours as of the writing of this comment. Dude(tte) needs help.
This is way overdramatic for what Biden has actually said.
overdramatic
Wait…
Are we at the “it’s ok if trump wins” that Biden said in Fridays interview?
Or are we back to reality where a second trump term is an existential threat to American democracy.
Because if we’re back in reality. I don’t see how taking the threat of Biden losing seriously is “overdramatic”. If anything, I’d say Biden is being “under dramatic”.
Do you overstand?
Drink some water and go to bed.
Biden is reacting to all of this in exactly the same way anyone else in his shoes would.
He’s starting to react exactly the same way trump and many others on the right do, and is gaslighting his voters the same way, too (like by dismissing the perfectly valid concerns as “drama”)…
That is to say it may very well be down to age, but it’s also just the textbook behaviour of politicians who are there to serve themselves, the filthy rich establishment, and the status quo they all need to survive.
The thing is, republicans have been conditioned to accept that since Nixon and Watergate.
Dem voters aren’t there yet. Hopefully we’ll never get there, but right now this shit won’t work on Dem voters.
Dem voters aren’t there yet…but right now this shit won’t work on Dem voters.
Lol, it’s working perfectly well already, in case you haven’t been paying attention, those still blindly loyal to Biden, as well as the “blue no matter who” crowd are proving you wrong every day.
The thing is, republicans have been conditioned to accept
Until people like you confront the fact that we have ALL been conditioned to accept this farce, and that those on both teams serve the same people (billionaires) and use the same tactics (empty promises, flat out lies, gaslighting, manipulating, even love bombing) they just appeal to different sensibilities so your bias tells you the one that appeals to you isn’t that bad actually, we will never break free from this circus.
Lol, it’s working perfectly well already, in case you haven’t been paying attention, those still blindly loyal to Biden, as well as the “blue no matter who” crowd are proving you wrong every day.
Which I wouldn’t mind as much if there were enough to actually stop trump…
But there’s not.
They’re just very loud
Until people like you confront the fact that we have ALL been conditioned to accept this farce,
Millions of Americans, myself included, do t accept that this current system is the only option, and we’re definitely not under the illusion everything is fine…
