Because nothing about Trump has changed.
Yea. I’m not from the US (so an outsider’s and probably naive perspective) …
but the whole Biden thing seems off. Trump is a known quantity. The point of his running, at a basic level and besides vengeance, is to try the MAGA thing again without COVID “interfering”. Also, if you think back to the 2020 Dem primaries, where no one was really happy with any candidate and many were asking of the Dems “is that the best you’ve got” … a Trump sequel is kinda republicans forcing that question again.
As for all of the attention … well there’s a lot on the line here: Trump’s a known quantity … so, Dems, how you going to defeat him this time? Because … if you lose to Trump, twice, both times by standing by a party elder … that’s maybe “shame on you”. Moreover, we all knew Biden was old. A single term was sorta, kinda part of the deal because of that (remember, he wasn’t doing well in the primaries, he never has really). So, has a bargain been broken here? A gamble lost? A mistake, perhaps all the way back in 2020 but certainly behind the decision to run again, come to fruition?
Beyond all of that … I thought excessive media attention on Trump and the free publicity he gets was a bad thing (he’s probably jealous about Biden’s media attention lol)?
I agree, and all this happened when Epstein files were unsealed. Why there’s no talk about that?
I think Biden promising to increase taxes for the rich doesn’t bode well with the rich, because Biden might actually do it.
Ding ding ding! Biden is a threat to the wealthy so the smear campaign is rich capitalists trying to replace Biden with someone they like more, or get tRump back in so they can get tax breaks. They care not for the dangers of fascism cause they’ll still make profit, but with fewer regulations and faster.
Also, probably many of those implicated in the Epstein files are extremely wealthy and don’t want that info taking center stage at anytime. The wealthy like to see those bank account zeroes increase! Soon as you threaten that, they try to jail, replace, or “remove” them using their near infinite means. The same ones named in those files likely also own local news groups and can influence local and/or regional news.
Bruh the man has over 7 million in real estate, and taken in over $4 million in cash just from Israel Source literally outranking a senator who is on trial currently for accepting literal gold bars and benzs, but you think he is not in their club, old Middle Class Joe is your contemporary and gonna lay down the law, and the shadowy “they” are trying to replace him after he’s been literally entrenched in politics for the last 51 years. If politics is so dangerous how has he survived so long, if not for being on the inside?
That’s still upper middle class lol.
Open secrets link is money sent to PACs. Try harder please
And it has nothing to do with one of the worst debate performances in history? Really?
People were already hesitant about Biden before this debate. His performance was a wake up call. And nothing that has been done since has made him look any better.
I’m a straight blue ticket voter. That debate solidified my support. Both are old as shit, but we are stuck with them because our voting system sucks. I’ll choose the non-rapist, non-felon.
I always focus on how I will view my choices 10+ years down the road. I always regretted voting for bush and McCain. Haven’t regretted voting blue since I pulled my head out of my ass.
It’s not the “straight blue ticket” voters we need to be worried about. I’d vote for a Biden with late stage dementia over any variation of Trump.
The worry is that people that don’t always vote, but showed up on 2020 are no longer going to show up because the Trump threat is a distant memory and Biden is such a weak candidate.
And while we all knew Biden was a weak candidate, the historically bad debate performance and everything that has come up since has only shown how truly weak Biden is.
To act like this is all a conspiracy pushed by the wealthy to avoid being taxed and not actual citizens that want a better chance at beating Trump is just silly.
he wasn’t doing well in the primaries, he never has really
Biden did quit well in the primaries. Also, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and the orange felon did bad on their first debates. In fact Obama did horrible. They all went on to win. Biden has the keys to win this. Switching candidates now will throw the election away. Biden has surrounded himself with good people, he has wisdom and experience. He averted a recession and the economy is rebounding impressively. Why throw that all away?
Allan Lichtman, a historian who has successfully predicted the outcome of the last 10 presidential elections, dismissed the calls to boot Biden from the ballot, telling CNN’s Abby Phillip it would be a “huge mistake” to replace Biden on the ballot. , “Republicans have no principles. Democrats have no spine". The story behind Professor Allan Lichtman’s methodology based on earth quake prediction absolutely is fascinating.Biden did quit well in the primaries.
With a little help from strategically timed withdrawals and Jim Clyburn, sure.
More importantly, there’s nothing you can do to convince someone who’s dumb enough to vote for Trump, not to. This is why chasing “swing” voters is a really terrible strategy and always has been. There’s literally nothing Trump could say or do to alienate the voters he has now, no one is undecided on Trump.
What determines the outcome for Democrats is the same it’s ever been; turn out. It’s why Biden won in 2020, it’s why the GOP is constantly trying to sabotage and suppress voter registration. And it’s why it’s critical that Biden steps down, he simply cannot drive the needed turn out now and is unwilling to form a coalition with non-conservative democrats/independents.
It actually did. It wasn’t just lies, but he is also losing plot about what he is talking about.
But yeah, I guess that’s not much difference in the greater scheme of things.
And “tongue tied” Is a straight up, fucking lie. It was surprising just how bad Biden was in that debate. You are right that trump seems to be consistently shity and incomprehensible.
[Donald Trump] May Not Be Good for America, but [He’s] Damn Good for CBS”
-CBS CEO Les Moonves, 2/29/16
And nothing has changed since.
Vote for the administration, not the man.
This is not that difficult. Both of these geezers have been president before. We know what teams they put together, what their agendas are, and the consequences of their administration.
There is only one big fucking faux pas on the Biden administration, and that is their continuing support for Israel’s genocidal campaign in Gaza. That is no good, but what is Trump’s stance on Gaza? His administration wants to accelerate and intensify support of the genocide.
Both candidates suck as individuals, but only one of the administrations has been competent and generally good for all citizens.
Trump’s administration is asking why Israel isn’t using nukes
You know, in case anyone had any doubts at all
You know, because nuclear bombs can be contained and certainly don’t carry any irradiated winds that would affect civilian populations only a fence away.
And the minor factor of Iran?
You are right, the Democratic administration is fucking terrible. But its still better than the republicans. Can’t wait to vote third party on the next election cycle when people tell me i can vote how i wish.
You can always vote how you wish. Voting third party in the presidential election is always just a vanity vote. Nothing about the next election will change this. If you want to change it, you’re going to have to go out and work from the ground up.
I believe that the Democrat Party is so terrible that the second the republicans ease up, the built up hate against the democrats will make third parties more palatable, or the democrats will take their head out of their collective asses and push left policies.
Even if a third party rises up and unseats a major party, we’ll still revert quickly to a two party system and the issue will persist. This is what I mean about it being a vanity vote: it solves nothing.
If you want to dismantle the two party system, you have to change how we vote. That ain’t coming from the top down. Get out locally and support groups and policies that push star or ranked choice voting. This is how we get that change.
Voting in a presidential election, as of now, is a strategic decision. For the vast majority of people, that means voting for the “lesser of two evils” as much as we hate it.
Not going to happen locally as long as democrats are in power. So my first order of business is to vote them out. I already mentioned that i was voting Biden i am quite sure
Not going to happen locally as long as democrats are in power.
Well, I have local democrats who are actually pushing the change, so I disagree. However, even if what you say is true, your ability to influence policy is much greater locally, so you can unseat democrats there. My point still stands: voting third party in the presidential election has virtually no hope of solving the problem.
California https://ballot-access.org/2022/02/20/california-bill-to-ban-ranked-choice-voting/
It’s a Democratic platform to oppose RCV and with such excuses as it will confuse the black population. Just… woof…
I was specifically told that i could vote my opinion on the matter after the presidential election, but not a second before.
I agree with you all the way up to voting 3rd party.
It has never worked out how everyone thinks it will. Why would this time be different?
We have first past the post here. Meaning first across the finish line. And 2 candidates are neck and neck a few steps from it. You can vote for one of them to pull into the lead a bit OR you can vote for a person still standing at the starting line that has no hope to ever win.
It’s wild to me that people don’t see that. It’s about keeping Trump from winning and ACCELERATING THE GAZA GENOCIDE!!! There just simply isn’t the momentum to elect a 3rd party right now this cycle so close to the end. You have to start that momentum and push WAYYY sooner and be competitive and stay close to the lead or it is over for you.
Voting 3rd party now is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring reality.
I completely understand that neither main candidate is perfect.
If Trump wins, but your vote could have helped Biden win, how will your conscience handle that? Knowing you could have at least stopped Trump, but didn’t? Is feeling good about your vote going to outweigh the reality if Trump wins?
It’s like refusing to put out a fire with dirty water so you let the whole building burn down. Let’s use the dirty water and stop the fire and THEN clean up the muddy mess from it.
I think we both agree that first past the post is a blight. And the only option to stop that would be either voting third party, or a violent Revolution that sees both parties on the end of a rope. The democrats have killed changing voting to ranked choice at local levels, even after being successfully voted for, because just like republicans they know that not allowing a choice is the only thing giving them power. The second that there is risk free voting for platforms you actually care about, they are fucking done.
Do you guys really not remember anything from the last 3.5 years? I get not liking Trumps admin, but Bidens admin has objectively been so poorly run it makes me wonder if they are fucking everything up intentionally. Biden has to be the worst admin in my lifetime even beating out the George W Bush debacle that got us into two endless wars.
Even a quick glance at your comment history makes my brain hurt. That amount of delusion amd willful ignorance literally has you living in an alternate reality.
I am sorry that reading makes you brain hurt.
You reckon poorly run but you don’t give any examples.
What has his administration done worse than the tangerine terrors?
Good question! Off the top of my head; no border control, terrible afghanistan withdrawl (but props he went through with it), pushing us closer to WW3 (see recent new of China doing joint exercises in Belarus), continued reckless spending done by trump, continued funding of Ukraine enabling deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, funding bombs dropped on Gaza, and more!
Border control? Now you know how the native Indians felt. I have no idea why so many Central American countries are unstable, which forces people to migrate to somewhere they perceived as safer for their families.
Afghanistan was baby Bush’s mess. Do we blame Nixon for pulling out of Vietnam?
Closer to WW3? Really, I must have missed that memo because I don’t see that happening.
Cut funding to Ukraine. Hmmmm… give in to bully Putin you mean. And you bring up China: How would China act on the global stage if they saw the US tucked tail to run in Ukraine? Embolden for sure.
As for Gaza, annoying orange would have bent over backwards to appease AIPAC and glassed Gaza.
But let’s ask what the fake tanned arsewiped did for two whole years that he had full control of the house, senate and WH? Tax cut for himself? What else…?
And who can forget the one million dead from covid, because he made it political. No other country in the world suffered the impact the US had. Guess injecting bleach or looking directly at an eclipse without protective glasses on isn’t clever.
I love when you guys defend indefensible policies. I can give you a deep dive on any one of these things, but you will just say some random nonsense that you think sounds good.
Indefensible? Like wanting a pedophile, rapist, convicted felon as party leader? What is wrong with you? That’s some serious malfunction if you look at him and say “yup, he’s dur one fur mee”
I dont want trump as leader, but he is not what you claim. A funny and slightly true quote is a prayer that says “Lord give me the Trump that the left thinks exists.” The issue is that you just repeat the same propaganda and it just boring. You dont have anything interesting to say that is why you guys are called NPCs.
Because literally nobody is suprised by trump as this point. We all know what he is at this point. Biden popped the fascade that has been carefully crafted to keep us all thinking he was doing alright despite being old as fuck.
100%. People want to act like it was a “bad debate performance” but it was absolutely eye opening to the american people. Its not about who won or lost a debate.
And it’s not like it’s the first of those incidents. He fell off his bike, tripped getting on air force one, had a bunch of press conferences where he did the trailing off in the middle of his answer thing, etc.
And this isn’t the only person democrats did this with either. They enabled Dianne Feinstein to run for reelection despite her being at deaths door, there’s the RBG debacle, etc.
Democrats need to get better at refreshing the old guard. The only one that did it kind of right is Nancy Pelosi: groom a successor and step aside when the time is right.
I love the argument about the bike, have you seen trump on a bike? There’s a 99% chance that you don’t ride a bike yourself.
BTW: he tripped, because he had to stop to talk with reporters and the predators had straps. It even happened to me and I’m much much younger than him.
Maybe there’s millions of qualified people other than Trump and Biden in the US? Why do Americans have to settle for just these 2? Why does Biden get to say he’s the only one that could beat Trump, if that’s objectively not true?
I can’t think of anyone else who could beat him. I really believed that Clinton could do it, and technically she did, but she didn’t beat him bad enough. A lot of people thought he was just playing himself up to win and wouldn’t be so bad once he got in (myself included). He showed them he wasn’t playing anything up and a vote against him got the largest turnout in history.
I really thought (and prayed, and begged the universe) that Sanders would get a shot.
Damn, what a mess. What a stressful, stressful, mess.
With a gay kid and a trans kid, I really do worry about their future. All we can do is ride the rock and hope for the best though. Well, that and vote against the dude who openly despises certain groups.
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Why didn’t you 9 name a candidate and why you think they’d win. Come on now, it’s a social forum. Get social.
The salient point- Biden does things better DAILY than Trump did in 4 years and we’re still somehow focusing on stupid shit.
Democrats are so ego driven that they think death itself cannot claim them at a moment’s notice. I think this is part of the facade of the Democrats people are, unfortunately, going to respond to this election: Democrats, as a party, like to present themselves as being all about compromise and caring. Getting things done for the #AmericanPeople. But when it’s time to step down and let others shine in the limelight because you’ve had your time and the physical realities of age are something you have to acknowledge, or when there might be a better candidate for an election and you have to make the difficult choice of not getting what you want for the good of the country, that fucking sentiment disappears like a fart in the wind.
Because Trump performed exactly how he has in every previous debate, I’m not saying it was good but it was the same shit level of performance that I expected.
Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus. Trump lying his ass off just isn’t news anymore, I’m not justifying it but it would have been stranger if he hadn’t.
I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass but the reason Biden is getting so much focus and Trump isn’t is pretty obvious. Trump did as Trump does and Biden had a horrible performance.
Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus.
Infuriating because people writing these headlines already know this. The entire purpose of these headlines is to deflect the real problem of Biden’s inability to fulfill his role as Chief Executive onto “Ah but have you considered Trump is worse?!”
I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass
I don’t think he really benefited from the debate either. Its not like anything he said resonated with the audience. It was the standard litany of grumpy old fascist bullshit. His approval rating didn’t go up. Nothing he said has endured as a talking point or meme. He didn’t even score a good laugh line.
This was a spectacle precisely because Biden was supposed to come out as a powerful voice to rally the mushy indie voters and… he didn’t. We have this enormous pool of people who are disgusted with both candidates. Biden didn’t put anything on the table to win them over. Trump didn’t either. So now we go into the convensions with two of the must unlikable candidates in living memory.
This was a spectacle precisely because Biden was supposed to come out as a powerful voice
Yeah I believe one of the people on the post debate panel said that the Biden team were the ones who pushed for this debate precisely to show that Biden was up to the task of being president again, which he failed at. Fair warning I could be dead wrong on that though.
Trump lying his ass off just isn’t news anymore
Therein lies the problem. It should be the ENTIRE news. This is what we get when we let huge companies dictate the “news” and push all this crap about Biden yet basically nothing about Trump.
It’s not journalism- it’s money.
It should be the ENTIRE news.
You don’t think another candidate being like a lost and confused grandpa with Alzheimer deserves at least some part of the news?
Yeah I’m sure articles on Trump lying aren’t generating clicks like they used to, gotta get good clickbate somehow.
John Stuart said it best - Trump meet everyone’s expectations of him. His followers are either deranged or are just exploiting his madness. Biden was the one with something to prove and he ducking blew it.
He could have been better. But there are more debates. He can come out stronger next time.
That’s not how old age works. Biden is not getting better, that’s the whole point. This wasn’t a political gaffe, it was a consequence of the inevitable collapse of age. Biden needs to step down, literally the only way Dems have a chance to win at this point.
Disagree. He’s been a good president and far better than his opponent. His ACTIONS are a million times better than Trump.
I agree, but as Carter showed, being a good president isn’t enough to get reelected.
Better then Trump is a low bar and you know it.
No one sane said that he was a bad president (although he could have been a lot better) just that he is too old for the job.
I would say that anyone younger and progressive would do better than him.
That’s literally the race
I would trade Biden in for someone ten years older if it meant we’d get a strict and intelligent moderator
He could have been better
Lmao no shit, would’ve been hard to have been worse
You’re right. He could have been Trump.
Didn’t Trump gain support from the debate while Biden lost it to the degree that people from his own party are openly calling for him to drop out?
He’s still a rapist. So there’s that.
I don’t think that came up or showed in the debate so probably didn’t affect it. This is about the debate performance and its effect after all. If people didn’t care about that before the debate, they’re not going to suddenly care after it.
You mean I take more information than just a debate to make a decision?
You seem to be missing the most important point here - with cognitive decline from advanced age, time is not on your side. Biden would likely be worse in a future debate, if he doesn’t do the right thing and step down immediately.
I disagree. But that’s why we vote. So we get that freedom.
The people voting Trump like that about him. Stop pretending like they’re after the same voters, they’re not.
This article is about media reaction, not social media users.
Shockingly, you’ll find the medias audience is made up of those same people that those two candidates are campaigning to. I also don’t know where you see me talking about social media?
Democrats tell us democracy is on the line and many people including myself believe it, but then they push a weak candidate likely to lose merely because his team has lined their pockets with corporate donations and pledged allegiance to Israel. Democrats need to decide if democracy is on the line, or if they lie to their voters and don’t care if Trump wins.
Or, billionaires own media and using them to shape public opinion so they can get more corporate friendly candidate.
Biden was perceived as corporate friendly in 2020, but he delivered more worker friendly policies and also is promising to increase taxes on rich
This isn’t about getting a more corporate-friendly candidate. It is about beating Trump, plain & simple. Biden’s abysmal debate performance wasn’t CNN drugging him to instill a new corporate shill for the Democrat-party. The Democrat party is capable of pushing corporate shills themselves already, as they did in 2016.
Maybe not, but capitalism and fascism want the same things. They don’t care about Biden’s age, just their wealth and not supporting anyone who threatens that. That’s why all the narrative around Biden’s age is all we get out of that debate. The wealthy own all means of communication.
There’s a reason the saying, “the revolution will not be televised,” is relevant. I think you may be missing the plot a little as no one thinks CNN drugged or did anything else to Biden. But the media can make it so the national attention is on Biden. They want him replaced or they want tRump to win.
They’re playing chess while a majority of Americans are fighting about who gets the white pieces and who gets the red ones [cause they’re playing checkers]!
Biden deserves this loss, he literally said only God would take him out this race, but you know democracy is threatened! So lets run the shittiest candidate possible, and its extra infuriating because Biden/Harris is literally the most unlikeable ticket possible. Harris is even more unlikeable, Ive had numerous people ask me why an Indian girl raised in India and Canda whose crown achievement is locking up marijuana users is doing a BET advert talking about shes out in these streets. It feels like beyond pandering.
Speaking of CNN, many people are not aware that CNN changed owner in 2022 to MAGA friendly one. So I would now treat it more like Fox News lite.
Biden supporters in 2024 are sounding a lot like Trump supporters in 2016 by calling all the media outlets fake news now.
Because in a televised debate, people only see performance. It’s not like anyone fact-checked Trump, either. Biden tried and failed to meaningfully rebut him, and the moderators didn’t even try.
There were moderators? The only people i noticed were 2 seriously overdressed stage hands that handled muting microphones. Other than that it was just Biden and Trump being total embarrassments.
That’s what moderators are supposed to do. They aren’t judges, or fact checkers. They are supposed to present the questions to the speakers, and manage time, and maybe on occasion ask a followup question. It’s the speakers job to respond to questions and their counterpart(s) on stage.
Because we all knew trump would lie. That’s not news. What we didn’t know, is how far Biden has slipped since 2020.
You know, and I know, but for the low-information voter, you’d be surprised. To many low-information voters, they think Trump occasionally exaggerates because he’s braggadocious, and they think Biden is a serial liar because he’s an establishment politician.
It’s a false equivalence, but his lies need to be pointed out and shown to be false. It’s hard, because he Gish Gallops all over the stage, but it needs to be done. Trump needs to be shown as a blatant and malicious liar to the average person. It needs to be made clear that he thinks very little of his base’s intelligence, and that he’s taking them for a ride.
Low-info voters won’t read the news and shun any media that doesn’t come straight out of trump puckered anus lips. Why would the news target that demographic? Or a better way to put it: News that targeted that demographic with that messaging were unable to compete with other news organizations.
“The World”?
I think you mean the press, and that press focus is the problem.
Somebody should plot a chart of media company revenues vs. political candidates and compare it with the stories they run.
I hope I’m wrong, but I suspect there may be some cross-correlation.
Oh you’re spot on. Trump likes to go on about his ratings, but even people who wouldn’t vote for him in a million years watch him. He’s entertaining. I don’t suppose it would be so bad if so many people didn’t see him as more than entertaining.
I’ve been guilty of it for 9 years now. “What crazy thing will Trump do next?” I used to sit when something would happen and refresh his twitter page because I knew that whatever he was about to do, it was going to be thoroughly entertaining.
I’ve found myself thinking, “this can’t be real” so many times.
You couldn’t give me anything to give him a vote because I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. I can see why a lot of people do. There have always been people who believe that leaders should lead through shows of strength. I get it, but I believe that leaders should lead through intelligence. A leader should be calm, collected, strategic, and intelligent. I just don’t see Donald Trump as any of those things. I see him as impulsive and a threat to the progress that so many people have fought for.
Biden’s performance at the debate has me terrified. It would have taken him sitting there drooling on the ground to frighten me enough to vote for Trump. I’m really hoping all the people who showed up in 2020 feel the same way. The damage an angry Trump could do this time could be irreparable. We all seen the “save America” rally and everything that followed. We’ve seen his stacked courts give him the power of a king. Take a moment and watch the videos of him recording his message to the people on Jan 6 if you haven’t seen it. Not the message itself, but the process of recording it.
I’ll shut up now. Y’all be good. :p
They could Weekend at Bernie’s Biden and I’d still vote for him over trump. He could be a fucking desiccated corpse, and as long as someone is there to move his stiff wrist across bills on his desk, he’s still a magnitude better.
Dems and leftists can rightfully bemoan this old fuck leading us again, but holy shit we are dealing with either an embarrassing but mostly effective fogey or a guy who wants to be the fucking emperor and is gleefully planning the literal destruction of our democracy as we know it.
The choice is so easy.
Because the right doesn’t care that trump lied, and the left does care that Biden can’t speak.
And the right wing media wants to do is suppress the left wing voters, and the left wing media knows that people are exhausted after 8 years talking about Trump lying so the Biden thing is better for viewership
The billionaire owners of the media have a vested interest in Trump’s agenda.
Biden administration tax policy proposals have the billionaires pissed off.
Vested interest in any government that doesn’t threaten their wealth. Capitalists always thrive in fascism.
The media is only focused on one.
Because everyone knows that Trump is garbage and republicans are complicit. We’re hoping Democrats will challenge Biden
