It’s pushing us into extremely weird territory to have two candidates this unpopular.
The difference is Biden unpopularity is due to uncertainty while trumps is due to EXTREME certainty that he’s a piece of garbage
Biden unpopularity is due to uncertainty
Which I don’t understand. I’m certain Biden won’t institute project 2025 so the choice should be obvious.
Uncertainty my ass. Joe Biden is running on an excellent record. He is running on his policies.
People don’t care about policies.
I am voting for him but this recession we aren’t calling a recession isn’t helping his chances
That’s because undecided voters are entirely vibes based and don’t give a shit about anything else
Disclaimer this is very unlikely.
I have seen enough people grow older and senile and start acting totally out of character. People who I would have called progressive start supporting Trump because of old man brain.
Just depends what news channel they watch all day I know old people on both sides blindly taking in whatever fox/MSN/CNN tell them. Fox ones are consistently shittier but I’ve heard a few pretty bad takes coming out of the other ones too.
CNN recently got bought by MAGA garbage and is skewing right wing.
There’s nothing uncertain about Biden at this point. It’s a matter of being in denial or anger.
Sir. You seem to have forgotten about inconsolable hopelessness.
I think they call that acceptance.
*golf claps* Well played.
It’s too bad there’s no plan-b if he does actually get impaired for real during his administra-- oh wait. There is.
And she’d only be more awesome if she dragged an eligible AOC in as her vice. Asses kicked, names taken.
Yeah, that’s very well stated.
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If it weren’t for the political realities of how voting works under first-past-the-post, the progressive wing of the Democratic party could have easily split off into a separate party whose younger leadership and willingness to push for actually-meaningful change could probably have run circles around the Dems at this point.
…Man, I really wish I could vote for a presidential candidate that I actually believed in, instead of this “vote for the status-quo neoliberal or democracy dies” bullshit.
This copium is off the charts ridiculous.
I don’t want Trump to win, which is why I think it’s incredibly unhelpful to spread the delusion that current polling is favorable to a Biden victory.
That wasn’t even true before the debate, but at least there were enough polls within the margin of error that it was possible.
Biden’s polling has only gone down since then, while Trump’s have trended upwards. Not by the same margins, but still, opposite directions.
This article is actually arguing about changes in polls that are less than 0.5%, seriously, it’s a joke…
Here is an aggregated page that links out to over 50 different polls for Georgia, one of the states mentioned in the article where Trump it’s supposedly hurting, according to that article:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president-georgia.html
Here’s that same aggregated polling information for the other two states mentioned in the article:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president-michigan.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president-north-carolina.html
Take a look and tell me if that article, much less it’s headline, have any bearing on reality.
A friend of mine has right-wing parents who were Trump boosters in 2016. He says that January 6th left them aghast, and they aren’t supporting him now. That’s just two people sure, and this is entirely anecdotal, but it might be indicative of how the wind is blowing.
4 years ago there were a lot of houses with Trump/Pence signs in my neighborhood. Most of them removed their signs after the elections except for a few that had the whole combo police lives matters and don’t thread on me and stuff like that. After jan 6 even those houses removed their signs (and all others) and this year I have not seen any Trump sign in any backyard in the area.
It turns out, a lot of people do feel a bit of shame for the way they vote.
Not like that they actually feel bad for fucking over so many people, but they don’t like looking like they are helping so many people getting fucked over.
don’t thread on me
Nudist trumpers?
This is what I don’t get. There is so much less trump enthusiasm in Michigan than in 2020. It’s all fucking anecdotal, so go with the data over my observations, but I just can’t see any sign that Trump is a force here.
I’ve seen like 2 Trump bumper stickers and not a single yard sign (I’ll give you the place that literally has his name painted on their garage), which is fucking insane when 3-4 years ago you couldn’t get in your car without seeing at least one yard sign or bumper sticker.
Four years ago, my wife got so much shit for being the only liberal in an office of good ol’ boys. Now, absolutely nothing. I cannot comprehend that the polling reflects none of this.
They’ve learned it leads to social isolation. I know a lot of young men learned they can’t get laid if they’re vocal about Trump. I’m not saying these people learned empathy they just learned to put the mask back on.
Do people really leave political signs up after elections, though?
Dude I saw a faded-ass ‘Bush / Cheney’ sticker on the way home today. Cult is as cult does.
Well, bumper stickers are one thing, but leaving them posted in your yard? Weird.
They still fly the flags from their lifted trucks where I live. But yeah it’s declined a lot.
I kinda want to get old bumper stickers and put them up. I wonder if I can find one for Jimmy Carter
A certain neighbor of mine does. Makes the neighborhood look ugly.
Apparently, there were a lot around where I live too. I dont get it personally, but im not a dude who would put up a political sign to begin with.
Some people still have some values. 34 felonies, rape, and paying hush money to a porn star you had sex with while your pregnant wife was at home is enough to cost some votes. I don’t care if they vote for Biden, as long as they don’t show up and vote for mr 34 felonies it’s a win for America.
Not voting for the opponent in a two-party race is like a half vote for the other guy, but wouldn’t it be nice if they came around and gave Biden a full vote each?
Absolutely, but I’m still good with a red voter not voting red.
Have you considered that they’re liars?
I understand this impulse. It is popular to demonize people on the other side, and truthfully, their voting for Trump in the past is a severe issue. They once in a while ask me for computer help, but this whole matter has made me reluctant to do it.
I’m not going to call them good people because voting for Trump has identified them as not being among those. But in some ways they’re decent? They don’t think they’re evil. They don’t stab people in the back personally. They work hard. They’re honest face-to-face. it’s mostly on the national stage that their odious beliefs are brought out.
There are lots of people like that here. I feel like, if they can be brought to see, viscerally, what the effects of their political decisions are, that could be the breaking point that changes their political beliefs. January 6th might have been one such event.
I think trump needs to address his electability questions. He hasn’t had any interviews that properly address his issues, just scripted ones with interviewers that like him.
Just today I’ve seen people calling for him to step down so another candidate without his issues can be nominated. He’ll have to do that if voters continue to lose confidence in him.
You forgot the /s
Polling lead reduced…still leading
Newsweek, bad selection of polls, and results are still not looking great. For goodness sake, can we please ban this news source? It’s awful and repeatedly clickbait-y.
Polls aren’t votes
Vote
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if there was a political bias between people who are and aren’t willing to answer phone calls and participate in polls.
The last time I have ever responded to a poll was like over 2 decades ago when my parents were out and I was a bored teen and they rang the house phone. I had a field day, especially with all the weird questions they ask after.
Polls? We still think those mean shit!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The presumptive Republican presidential nominee is set to face the incumbent president in November, and polls have so far predicted that the results of the 2020 White House rematch will be tight—with the pair statistically tied or holding only marginal leads in a number of surveys.
However, in three swing states there are signs that Biden has marginally increased his support since participating in the first presidential debate, despite giving what was seen as a poor performance.
During the debate, Biden gave a series of incoherent and confusing responses and appeared to trail off at times without finishing his sentences.
He has since received calls from within his party to end his reelection bid and allow Democrats to install a new candidate for the general election.
Surveys like these are significant due to the Electoral College system, which awards each state a certain number of votes based on population.
But Trump only won there by 1.3 percent of the vote in 2020—his narrowest state win—and North Carolina often elects Democratic governors.
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Poll headlines are fucking meaningless. Each day twenty of them with completely different and contradictory conclusions come out.
