• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    87
    ·
    4 months ago

    “inclusive, immigrationist, eco-sustainable, and gay-friendly.”

    Sustainability is definitely the thing I’d hate most. I mean, why save the planet and thus ourselves?

    This week, he shared an X post from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene in which the MAGA congresswoman asserted: “The Covid vaccines are killing people.”

    It’s well-established that everyone who got the vax is dead, including me, so this tracks.

    He’s also won the praise of Donald Trump. In 2020, Vigano wrote a letter to the then-president in which he linked COVID restrictions and Black Lives Matter protests as the work of “the children of darkness.”

    Dude is going hard on the racism.

    You know what? I don’t think I like him.

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      4 months ago

      It’s well-established that everyone who got the vax is dead, including me, so this tracks.

      I got the boosters so I’m extra-super dead

      • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        Ok, but if this is racist’s about skin color I would def say that northern ppl are children of darkness and equator-ish ppl children of light.

        Also Europes north is full of metal bands, so that tracks too.

        And there was at least one metal band called that: https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Children_of_Darkness/112161

        However, if I didn’t have the racist context, I would def think its nocturnal people (which I guess includes vampires, but they are a minority).

  • Furbag@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    34
    ·
    4 months ago

    Has he tried claiming that he hasn’t been excommunicated and storming the Vatican?

  • EvilBit@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    32
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    The fun part is all the people who are gonna come out with hot takes like “what does this ’pope’ guy know about being a good Christian? He could learn a thing or two from Trump.”

    We’re doomed.

    • Optional@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      Expelling the cardinal is likely to increase tensions between Francis and conservative American Catholics, a group he as described as having “a very, strong, organized, reactionary attitude,” and whom he accused in 2023 of replacing faith with “ideologies.”

      Someone: says a true thing

      AP Wire Service: puts “true thing” in quotes

      • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        4 months ago

        One man’s faith is another man’s ideology.

        Ultimately, the problem is religion. Religion should not be part of politics.

        • MindTraveller@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          4 months ago

          Joshua ben Joseph was a religious leader who preached nonviolent resistance against the state. He was eventually executed publicly by the state for this. Do you think He was wrong to bring religion into politics?

          • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            4 months ago

            Which one?

            I’m gonna go ahead and say “absolutely not”, though, considering that [I assume you’re talking about the Christian man-god] was largely executed for his religious teachings, and the “crowds” that followed him, disrupting their control of the populace.

            He might have been executed by the Roman’s, but only after a trial by the Jewish religious leaders - and only because the Roman’s started frowning at all of the other Jewish mystics they were leaving knifed in the ditches. (And that was just… untidy.)

            I’m not sure why you think that’s a gotcha. I imagine the actual mystic behind those stories would be quite surprised by all the things they say he said and done.

      • dalekcaan@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        I mean, that’s how quotes work, yes. I agree with your sentiment, but that’s how all news organizations do it.

  • TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    29
    ·
    4 months ago

    Vigano thereafter made increasingly baroque attacks on Francis while also drifting into conspiracy theories, backing bogus claims about COVID vaccines and making proclamations about the evils of the “deep state.” This week, he shared an X post from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene in which the MAGA congresswoman asserted: “The Covid vaccines are killing people.”

    Homey dropped off the deep end and never came back, lol. Didn’t his parents ever tell him, “Don’t believe everything that you see on the internet.”?

  • elbucho@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    29
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    4 months ago

    A bit torn on this, tbh. 'Cause on the one hand, good - fuck that guy. He’s trash and he deserves to be thrown out for being trash. But on the other hand, as far as I’m aware, none of those priests that fucked children were excommunicated. So according to the head of the catholic church, slagging off the pope is worse than fucking children? Seems like a weird set of priorities.

    • Kiernian@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      4 months ago

      So according to the head of the catholic church, slagging off the pope is worse than fucking children?

      One is just cause for excommunication according to the rules. Excommunication is a very specific punishment for very specific religious things.

      Stealing communion wine could technically earn you an excommunication depending on how it was done and what was done with the wine.

      The rules behind excommunication are practically ancient at this point but they weren’t there to prevent all sins, just be punishment for specific things that were threatening to the absolute shitshow that the organization itself was a long ass time ago.

      The fact that it’s still a shitshow as an organization, albeit a slightly different KIND of shitshow has no bearing on this situation in particular.

      Let’s be fair, though. All kiddy diddlers are in the depths of iniquity and should have long since been addressed under what’s said in scripture and held to account on that regardless of any talk of excommunication.

      Clergy should have been removed for choosing to actively live in sin and then punished according to the law.

    • Frostbeard@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      The important part is to be loyal. Same as when Elizabeth I broke with Rome the people punished for being chatolic was not charged with heresy, but treason

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      4 months ago

      We go high, they go low. Taking the moral high ground against these people just end us losing the battle.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      Not to defend the pope and his lack of prosecution of these pedophiles, but you have to remember that the rule of a leader is never absolute. A leader still has to answer to either the lay people, the nobles/elites, or both. Or else a leader will have to face a rebellion in some form or another. That being said, the problem is that Pope Francis has to go against a significant number of pedophiles and other ultraconservative priests. The Vatican is a hotbed of political intrigue as much as in the royal courts, congress or parliaments. There has been a talk of conservative discontent on Pope Francis for many years now; many of whom adore the pope’s more conservative predecessor, Benedict XVI. I mean, how else would a pope get elected by its own elites other than to also engage with politics? It’s not different to your everyday office politics or government.

  • Veedem@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    ·
    4 months ago

    Expelling the cardinal is likely to increase tensions between Francis and conservative American Catholics, a group he as described as having “a very, strong, organized, reactionary attitude,” and whom he accused in 2023 of replacing faith with “ideologies.”

    That’s a great summation of the problem with the religious right in this country.

  • neidu2@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    4 months ago

    The trumpanzees already despises the pope, so I don’t think a whole lot is going to change from this.

    • evranch@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      It’s not people, it’s only one person!

      There’s a lot of him to go around though.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      You know. If I was a billionaire… I’d buy the company that makes the wafers and rename it “Soylent Green”.

      I wonder how long it would take for people to figure it out.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          4 months ago

          Soylent was named for the movie, and given that it’s very unlikely that people would naturally confuse the products… and also the idiots at Soylent would probably find the humor in it (I mean they did name their company after it, too,)

          I think it’ll be alright. Maybe, if I were hypothetically rich I’d buy them too.