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    If anyone cares to read “Project 2025,” it’s a blueprint for creating a Judge Dredd universe, where the only people still living in it will be the Super Rich and the Super F*cking Poor.

    That’s a bad thing, by the way.

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      He also shares a very large portion of the core beliefs of the old Republican party. In the 1960s he would’ve likely been considered center right.

      It’s crazy that endorsing medicare and social support structures makes him a Democrat now.

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        It’s not crazy, it’s intentional. Poor education combined with the lack of social structure creates a voting population ripe with anger over the shitty system and looking to blame someone instead of learn why it’s like that.

        Conservative media is specially made to take uneducated and rage blind voters and churn out Republican candidates who pretty much only hold office because of manufactured spite towards democrats.

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          This is a ridiculous viewpoint, the Democrats are a center right party. Here in Canada they would be considered conservative.

          He supports healthcare and workers’ rights, he’s a Democrat.

          Or at this point the Republicans are so cracked that straight up “if he doesn’t support Project 2025, he’s a Democrat”

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            No he literally had a stroke, had brain damage, and stopped being a progressive. I’m not talking figuratively here or being like “hurr durr non-progressives are brain damaged”, the stroke figuratively turned him into a different person, he became significantly more conservative.

            Which really is a shitty situation all around, it’s really unfortunate.

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            He’s referring to:

            The liberal comedian then asked Fetterman whether his shift in various policies had anything to do with his recovery from his 2022 stroke, asking if > his near-death experience had given him a “freedom.”

            “Absolutely,” Fetterman responded. “There’s a line from the first ‘Batman,’ Joker’s like ‘I’ve been dead once already. It’s very liberating.'”

            “It’s freeing in a way. And I just think after beating all of that, I just really [want to] be able to say the things that I have to really believe in and not be > afraid of if there’s any kind of blowback.”

            Notably:

            Some of the most progressive and left parts of the Democratic Party are standing for the kind of side that have kinds of organizations like Hamas

            He basically broadly cast Palestinians as "because Hamas is among them, they earned their situation.

            So nominally Democrat, but he’s been called “Republican’s favorite Democrat” and has been espousing some more right wing sentiment this year particularly.

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              Brain damage from a stroke is well known to possibly cause major shifts in personality and beliefs too

              Dude went from calling himself a progressive at every opportunity pre-stroke, to going on a rant about why he has no idea why anyone would think he was a progressive and how angry it makes him

              Being confused about things and responding with belligerence is also normal following things like strokes or the normal effects of aging.

              All this shit is logical, except where we pretend they’re normal and the same as elected.

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            I don’t pay attention to american individual politicians as much but maybe he’d be a red Tory? Morneau was a grit cabinet minister and he’s solidly centre right, LPC tends to be neolib

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        Everyone has bad days. It’s been a while since Fetterman has done an interview. He’s been busy performing the duties of his office.

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    It’s a shame he went full Zionist over donor money.

    But Project 2025 is just basic conservatism. It is a wishlist that should shock no one for existing because it’s pretty much verbatim what right wingers have demanded since pretty much ever.

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      And it’s not like it’s trump specific.

      They’ve wanted to do this shit longer than even Biden has been alive.

      If trump dropped dead right now, the replacement would do the same stuff. Whatever republican running in 2036 will still want to finish up what hasn’t been done yet.

      trump is a symptom, he might be the symptom that kills us, but just removing trump doesn’t solve the underlying problem.

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      I’m inclined to think that his brain damage was the root cause (which led to accepting the bribes donations) - the timing was right, and only the brain-damaged would be Zionist at this point.

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      Just because someone with access to intelligence doesn’t believe that what’s happening in Gaza amounts to genocide does not mean that they are some religious fanatic zionist.

      You realize virtually everyone in Washington agrees with Fetterman about what’s happening in Gaza? You realize most Western democracies, their heads of state, along with their state and national security apparatuses, all agree that there is no genocide happening in Gaza?

      Maybe you simply have the calculus wrong? Have you considered that possibility?

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          Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a paid operative.

          I guess all their heads of state, displomats, intelligence, and national security wonks who disagree with you are also all being paid by some global cabal of Jews that you have imagined.

          Yes, block me, and go further into your echo chamber of self delusion.

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        Because 40 thousand dead out of a population of millions equates to genocide. The number includes the savage Hamas terrorists you love so much as well. Maybe you just simply don’t understand the calculus or what a genocide truly is. Thank Israel they don’t show you.

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          Bald death tolls say nothing of whether or not something fits the statutory definition of genocide. People die in wars. Innocent people die in wars.

          Hamas started a war on behalf of all these victims that they could not possibly win. The de facto government refuses to surrender or release hostages. They refuse to wear uniforms. They employ child soldiers. They build tunnels under dense population centers to use the population at large as human shields. They refuse to let their own families evacuate. They pay people to die as “martyrs.” That’s why there are 40,000 out of 5,000,000 Palestinians dead, 0.8%.

          That death toll, in these circumstances, is not evidence of genocide, it is actually evidence that Israel is pretty careful and actually not trying to kill civilians. Any other Army in that region of the world would have murdered every man woman and child in Gaza after about the tenth suicide bombing, forty odd years ago. It’s 40,000 out of 5 million in the face of the fact that Israel could easily turn all of Gaza and all of the West Bank into a sheet of glass in three hours, and have not done so. They could have let no food or water into the country, no medicine into the country. But they have not done so. Rather, they have been consistently ramping up their capacity to inspect shipments going into Gaza since the war broke out. They could have not evacuated anyone. They could have not called anyone on the phone, they could have sent zero text messages, instead of the millions and millions of phone calls and texts that they’ve sent. These facts, obviously none of which are reported in the Qatari media you no doubt have been gorging on, fly in the face of your bullshit reasoning.

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            Then you have to wonder if the Palestine state will install another government similar to Hamas when Hamas is eradicated. As well it’s not true Hamas started this war on behalf of all the victims because the majority of Palestine voted in Hamas which ran on a destroy Israel agenda. It means the majority of the victims would have supported this war. Was their lives truly that bad if they are able to have and feed millions of children? That they were desperate to start this war? It does not make sense. There are western countries struggling to have more kids than older people and they were thriving.

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              I don’t wonder that. They aren’t able to feed millions and haven’t been since I’ve been alive. The only thing stopping Gaza from a calamitous famine has been and remains western charity. Gaza does not literally have the tools, resources, or skilled people needed to govern itself, or even to physically rebuild itself.

              What I do wonder is, if the people of Gaza had to bear the actual price of its antisemitic terrorism–which has left it completely isolated, except from other far right religious dictatorships–would the people there allow Hamas to exist?

              They only tolerate it, I believe, because they know no hope. It’s been so long since anyone there thrived, the only thing they have to celebrate is death and killing, martyrdom and terrorism. Hopeless as they may be right now, as you pointed out, they are, relatively, fed.

              Ironically it’s in large part the charity that keeps this system in place.

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    Wtf did I just read? This is what counts as journalism?

    “How about Biden?”

    “Oh yeah? How about project 25? Donald Trump likes it”

    “Dominion lawsuit cost fox a lot of money”

    “Wow.”

    …JFC what was that?

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      About the same time Fettermen stopped saying he was a progressive and started getting visibly confused and angry when people called him a progressive, his ability to speak coherently and use critical thinking also disappeared…

      Total coincidence it was after a major stroke…

      But since he also became a shit ton more conservative, the moderate wing of the party is trying to pump him up as an alternative to The Squad.

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    The part where he mentions “project 25” is basically an attempt by Fetterman to get out of the confusing word salad he was in. Dude is doing a Biden impersonation during that section of the interview.

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    Yeah, why talk about the ancient brain mush guy who is going to lose to the fascist when we can talk about how fascist the fascist guy is?! Look at how fascist he is! I know we’re going to lose to him but we’ll yell about the fascism the whole time!

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      Maybe if we talk more about how facist the facist is, ppl won’t vote for the fucking facist…

      I rather have a hot glass of bird piss be president than a dictator

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            I’m not being defeatist, I’m being realistic about who to focus on.

            Trying to appeal to a cult member using facts and common sense is a fool’s errand.

            Convincing alienated people on the left to vote by giving them a GOOD choice for once, on the other hand? THAT’S how you beat the fascists!

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              I don’t think people who want Biden to just get swapped out really quick know how that works. He doesn’t want to drop, he’s come out and said it. They would have to work against the sitting president who has already won primaries. There is real risk there.

              Is Biden great, nah prob not. But he is not in the same league, hell the same sport as Trump when it comes to horrible. Instead of trying to change the world in a few months before the election, I’d take Biden who has actually done good and work on the next candidate from there. When we have years to build them up.

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                Guy ran essentially unopposed with the media on his side and the big story was how many people literally refused to vote / voted uncommitted rather than vote for him. I don’t understand how people are so tone deaf, Trump literally went to the South Bronx after a court appearance and had the park packed while a Biden Rally down the block was a ghost town. Biden literally squandered the Fuck Trump vote which is honestly the only reason he got elected after failing in his previous five runs at presidency, now he’s got his seat and only god almighty would convince him to step down.

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                  The park was not packed where Trump went, this was disproven already. Trump also has groupies that follow him around the country. Trying to use this as any metric of popularity is silly.

                  He didn’t squander the anti Trump at all. People just seem to accept lies and BS from Trump and hold Biden to a much higher, sometimes ridiculous, bar.

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              Yeah? Who? Who has a better chance than Biden this late into the cycle. Did you just wake up now, or have you been supporting other local candidates years ago?

              Want more progressive candidate? Start local and start early.

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          Trust me: a whole lot of people are entirely checked out and really do not know just how bad donnie is. Nor do they know about the plans the demons have laid in Project 2025.

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      ancient brain mush guy who is going to lose to the fascist

      “ancient guy” is only 2 years older than fascist guy. Also, I don’t understand what’s happening, the world seems to be having shared amnesia about the fact that Trump has been spouting senile and incoherent nonsense for years now?

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        Hes probably to busy jerking off to all those homoerotic AI generated images of Trump being super muscular, shirtless and sweaty (and possibly embracing Putin in romantic fashion) to realize Trumps actually a senile old man who cant even control his bowels, much less his impulses.

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      So, which would you honestly rather have? Someone who may or may not be in cognitive decline or someone who wants to become a fascist dictator?

      I’m not saying that Biden is in cognitive decline but I am saying that Trump is a wannabe fascist dictator.

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              You can’t even answer a direct question about who. You gnash your teeth and wish upon a star that a magic unicorn will come down and wave their wand.

              Get real and stop wasting peoples energy and time with useless “what if” crap.

              You’re completely naive if you don’t think it’s going to be Biden vs Trump. Anything other than a vote for Biden in November helps Trump, which is what I’m going to assume you want since you are being so elusive and obtuse.

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              The point is

              No. It’s not. It s a binary choice. Commit to answering the simple question: Biden or guaranteed fascism.

              that it doesn’t have to be

              Yes it does. Every time they’ve switched candidate they lost. See 1968 for a recent example.

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          Would like to make a wager on who will win? The rapist with 34 felonies that shits his pants is your pick, good luck lol.

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      When people talk about that Biden is going to lose and blame it on him, I really wonder if they understand what our system is and what the stakes are. We only lose if people decide not to vote for Biden. There are things that a good candidate can do to excite their voters and motivate people, but at the end of the day, anyone can see the options that lay before them and choose regardless of what the campaign does.

      You can wish that the campaign/candidate were better so that it made the job of motivating people easier. But if you are worried about the consequences of Trump winning this election, then you should be trying to motivate people to vote Biden. The article is to remind people that while Biden fared poorly at the debate, Trump was actually worse and is always worse. It seems to me that this is an honest point that underscores the need to vote Biden in this election, despite any of his shortcomings.

      We are driving down a road and a semi is coming straight at us at 100 mph. We can either veer off the road and damage or even total our car on whatever is there, or we can say “I shouldn’t have to veer off the road, there should be a shoulder”, or even “I didn’t even want to take this route in the first place but my wife insisted” as the truck hits us head on. There’s no good option, but there’s a clear survival option.