Did he even watch the debate? Biden played right into the right-wing narrative about him. The only way Biden wins this thing is by getting out there, talking to every reporter, holding every baby, and proving that the debate was a fluke. I don’t think he can do it.
I don’t think he can do it.
And if he can, why the hell isn’t he?!?!
It’s not like it’s a singular action he can take. It’s going to take weeks of consistent behavior before people believe any kind of short-term issue like a cold.
Can he do it is one question. Is there enough time is another.
Exactly, it’s not about a single thing he can do. But more importantly there’s nothing anything anyone else can do but point out his shortcomings…
Also, it’s not about anything specific he could have done… after all he can only do the one specific thing I’ll allow… but he’s not allowed to do anything else anyone could do about anything… that wouldn’t be fair.
Biden should have booked a tough sit down interview for the weekend after the debate to show he has the mental chops and ability to communicate the stakes of this campaign. Instead it’s been five days now since the debate and Biden hasn’t spoken publicly without a teleprompter. Hell dem governors and members of congress, including party leaders, have not spoken to Biden since the debate. Biden is doing basically nothing to calm people down. Hiding him and only rolling him out with a teleprompter in tow just plays into the republican conspiracy that Biden has had a significant decline. To the point that it’s starting to not seem like a conspiracy. If Biden wants to stay in the race, he needs to fix this, like yesterday. Is the reason he hasn’t done so yet because he can’t do it? If so, wtf is he still in the race??
Which narrative? They have multiple to cover every outcome.
When he’s lucid, he’s on drugs. When he’s not, he’s sleepy Joe. You can’t win by placating the right. Independents and democrats do have real concerns, and the DNC can ignore them at their own peril.
Independents and democrats do have real concerns, and the DNC can ignore them at
their ownour peril.FTFY
Good point, they’ll be fine no matter what.
You can’t win by placating the right.
Yes, but the alternative involves moving left. Party leadership would rather lose and blame the left than embrace them.
The Democratic Party held 57 primaries and caucuses; voters in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and five U.S. territories had their say
Not a single primary candidate besides Biden appeared on a majority of states ballots, and many states literally only had Biden. Democrats did not have a primary this year.
His percentages were even higher than Putin in those races
This article is fucking absurd. It holds up the primary as a paragon if the democratic process, even though Biden was the only candidate to have universal ballot access, and ignores the fact that two-thirds of Democratic didn’t want him to run. It compares the Drop-Biden advocates to the January 6th protesters, even though they’re advocating for a contested convention, which is the same process that was used until 1970. And to top it all off, it’s written by Stuart Stevens, AKA Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign strategist. Why should the Democrats be taking advice from a Republican strategist, especially one that’s already botched a presidential campaign?
Primaries are also weird because depending on what state you live in the election is often decided before you even get to vote. Imagine living in a state as big as California and having no impact on the primary.
If the general election can be one day maybe so can the primary.
That’s a feature, not a bug. The party leaders like having time to craft a narrative and create momentum behind their preferred candidate. It’s how Biden’s campaign managed to come back from the dead in 2020. If the primaries were all held on the same day, these pundits wouldn’t be telling us to stick with Biden, they’d be telling us Bernie is too old for a second term.
Imagine living in a state as big as California and having no impact on the primary.
After South Carolina has decided for you.
Why should the Democrats be taking advice from a Republican strategist
Consistency?
I voted uncommitted for a lot of reasons, and this is one of them. Getting Biden out and having a brokered convention certainly expresses my democratic will.
The Democratic Party held 57 primaries and caucuses; voters in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and five U.S. territories had their say, as did Democrats abroad. Joe Biden won 87 percent of the total vote.
The fuq? There weren’t any challengers except for a guy with a brain worm. We didn’t have a primary, and now we are seeing the consequences of not having a primary.
Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson are very confused about this statement. They both primaried Biden. Phillips got 20% in NH
Williamson was kept off the ballot in almost half of all states. Phillips was kept off the ballot in more than half of them. It’s hard to believe it’s a real primary when only one candidate has universal ballot access.
Candidates have to get a certain amount of signatures before getting ballot access on the primary in a state.
Williamson and Phillips weren’t able to do that everywhere, and Biden was, that’s on them not having as many campaign resources as a literal incumbent U.S. President, not the DNC somehow keeping them off the ballot.
Except that’s not true; the DNC sets the rules for each state, and they make plenty of exceptions when they feel like it. In North Carolina, the DNC will allow someone on the ballot if their candidacy is, “generally advocated and recognized in the news media.” In Tennessee, the DNC chair will accept applications if someone is “a bona fide Democrat.” They’re perfectly willing to rubber stamp a challengers applications based on subjective criteria.
The DNC creates a feedback loop to keep challengers off the ballot; they don’t hold debates, so alternative candidates don’t get any exposure to mount a challenge; without any exposure, they can dismiss the candidates as not having enough media presence to warrant being on the ballot, and tell them they have to gather signatures; without any support from the DNC or exposure from the media, it’s virtually impossible to get the funding and resources to collect signatures in 50 states.
Plus, you will face retribution from the DNC for challenging an incumbent. I mean, just look at what they did to Phillips. They forced him out of his leadership positions, then they found someone to primary him, and now he’s not even seeking reelection. All because he had the audacity to think there should be a real primary. Does this really sound like a fair process?
There were no challengers, exactly. Someone could have challenged him.
DNC Leadership: We won’t have a real primary, that’ll weaken the incumbent, who’ll probably win anyway. And remember, if you don’t get behind our anointed candidate, you’re anti-democratic.
The numbers are already coming in, the debate hurt Biden, and badly. Why does “Democracy is on the line” only mean voters are required to show up to vote for whoever DNC Leadership chose for us? Why do they have no obligation to put their best foot forward?
They’re gonna bet democracy on “We don’t really have a plan to turn this around, we’re just gonna keep doing what we’ve been doing and hope things get better.” The man is ancient, his brain is not gonna suddenly start improving. People know how aging works, and know that even if he never flops that badly on camera again, it’s just because he was never on camera at the wrong time.
It’s 4 months before the election.
Edit: Look at this - a classic case of a basic fact being down voted on Lemmy.
And every day he holds off on giving up the nomination is a day his actually viable replacement is deprived of. The latest DNC internal polling shows him even farther behind in swing states and on the verge of losing some reliably blue states.
And the national convention hasn’t happened yet. He’s not officially the candidate until appointed at the convention.
I guess the point is that to replace Biden would drive chaos that would last longer than 4 months and be self defeating.
Edit: Look at this - a classic case of a basic fact being down voted on Lemmy.
Fuck off with that. People aren’t downvoting a basic fact, they’re downvoting the implication that 4 months means we’re stuck with Biden.
You make your own implications.
That’s called a fact and there is literally nothing you can do about it.
So in response to my lengthy rant about why Biden needs to step aside, you just happened to notice the date, with no deeper meaning?
You’re arguing in bad faith now.
Sadly that’s usually their style
Like I said, the implications are yours. That is a fact. In that you don’t like it changes nothing.
I don’t think people are downvoting a fact; I think they’re downvoting a comment which doesn’t meaningfully contribute to the discussion, since by your own admission it’s a just a fact and a fact without context or stated implications is virtually meaningless.
So, no implications for you. How convenient
That’s not what I said or implied. Why don’t you state your argument?
You said implication is meaningless, therefore there is no 8mplication for you. But, you choose to spend time on it.
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The circlejerk is real on this post. Tons of bad takes and misinformation from the same “genocide Joe” shitposters as usual.
Listen. I don’t like Biden. I didn’t get a choice of who should run for the Democratic party in my state.
But at the end of the day, I would pick a literal pile of dog shit that’s turned white from being cooked in the sun, over Donald Trump.
The debate isn’t changing anyones mind. It sure is generating a lot of panic news though because to the news, appearing tired is just as damaging as appearing unhinged and lying nonstop.
If the reason to vote for Biden is that he isn’t Trump, why shouldn’t the dems run a candidate that both isn’t Trump and is most likely going to hold onto their mental competence into next year? Either way, they’re going to get the “not Trump” vote which by your reasoning should still cover the vast majority of would-be Biden voters.
If the media can get a presidential candidate to drop out just by repeatedly asking him to then why the fuck aren’t they calling for Trump to step down?
Because they’re full of shit. That’s why.
The difference is Biden might be able to be convinced to put the fate of the nation over his own position in office. Trump has no such concerns to appeal to.
: “I worked in five presidential campaigns for Republicans and helped elect Republican senators and governors in more than half of the country. For decades, I made ads attacking the Democratic Party. But in all those years, I never saw anything as ridiculous as the push, in the aftermath of last week’s debate, to replace Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee.”
“For many in the party, the event raised genuine concerns about the incumbent’s fitness for a new term. But a president’s record makes a better basis for judgment than a 90-minute broadcast does. Biden has a capable vice president, should he truly become unable to serve. The standard for passing over Democratic voters’ preferred nominee should be extraordinarily high—and has not been met.”
I can’t read the article myself due to the paywall. But presumably these quotes are by the same individual? Why would any Democrat campaign take the advice of someone who has spent decades helping to get Republican presidents elected? Why would he offer his advice to them at all? Certainly not in good faith. And why would he be an expert at what makes a good choice regarding nominees? His campaigns have presumably lost as many as they’ve won and their electorate is motivated by fundamentally different things. And never has there been a situation like this for either party during an election, a former president and convicted felon and current president circling the drain.
I don’t necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but given the source I don’t give the slightest fuck what his view point is on matters of the Democratic Party.
You’re right. He consulted on campaigns for some pretty vile sons-of-bitches, but at least he’s a member of the Lincoln project who endorsed Biden in 2020 and voted a straight-D ticket, so in that way he’s one of the few who’s putting his money where his mouth is.
Well that’s good to know. Thank you.
Stuart Stevens is fairly well known as Mitt Romney’s top strategist. He is a straight shooter, and his opinion is in good faith.
It’s funny to see someone that is such a neolib that they’d characterize a guy who ran a botched presidential campaign as “straight shooter”.
Lemmy will shriek for months that progressives want Trump to win, then immediately believe that a Republican strategist isn’t encouraging them to stick with a candidate who is going to lose if he stays in the race.
Didn’t The Atlantic officialy say that Biden should drop out?
This is so fucking dumb, the entire thing is premised on meaningful primaries occurring all over the country. How many of those “57” were actually competitive? I know my state had literally one candidate on the ballot. Biden extremely strongly implied that he wouldn’t run for a second term, then pulled a “lol jk it’s me or the literal fascist.” Most people didn’t want Biden to run again, but here we fucking are. And The Atlantic has the gall to say that this is a vocal minority of crybabies demanding an open and competitive primary be overturned. Fuck off.
I was supportive of Biden until that debate. It was devastating to watch, and made me sad for our country. I don’t know if Biden should stay or go, but he should definitely stay out of any future debates if not the spotlight until the election is over. Americans have extremely short memories.
The more I read about it, the more it reeks of a baseless smear campaign. CNN actively tried to make Biden look bad during the debate, and a huge chunk of the corporate media saw it and jumped on it.
It helped when Biden turned right around and had a strong showing at one of his campaign rallies. He had one off night, and everybody tried to make a mountain out of a molehill because they’re more concerned with making money than fighting the fascists.
