The shooter was 12 when Trump was first elected. archive

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    5 months ago

    He could be a dyed-in-the-wool GOP for six generations with no connections to any Left organization whatever.

    He’ll be branded as a woke Antifa with a Black trans GF who was brain washed with peyote by a Native Shaman at a Liberal college.

    • I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world
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      Article says he was registered republican, but donated $15 to a grassroots democratic group shortly after the capitol riot, so… there you go.

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            The Act Blue entry has a Pittsburgh address (not Bethel Park, where the shooter was from).
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              Wrong guy. That guy was 50, not 20. He did, supposedly send $15 to a progressive group. Let’s wait for the reports. Lots of rumors and misinformation. Bat-shit conspiracies to follow.

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          I doubt that will matter to the people who want it to be true. Honestly I feel so sad looking at this kid. Maybe I’m just old, but his high school yearbook pic looks like an elementary schooler to me. He looks so happy in his graduation video. As his father said: “What the hell happened?” I do wonder what will come to light when the discord is accessed.

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          With the same street address as the shooter on the ActBlue donation record?

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        There’s a political organizer with the same name a few counties over. In 2021 the shooter was 17, and not legally able to donate in PA.

      • danc4498@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        I had a friend that was a die hard Bernie Sanders fan until Trump became relevant. He turned to a qanon following psycho that pushed away everyone close to him.

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        Speaking of finances, I’d like to know how much he lost to trumps scams. I’m just impatient, that will (or won’t) be discovered in the investigation

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      5 months ago

      CNN reported that he registered Rep, but made donations to Dem. Of course that was right after it happened so plenty of room for your

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    5 months ago

    Discord servers are restricted ring-fenced sections of the internet. They are often used by gaming groups and communities as secure chat rooms but are also used by fringe organisations to push their ideologies and discuss wild conspiracy theories and plots.

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    Crooks appeared to have featured in a TV advert for the BlackRock finance company filmed at Bethel Park High School and broadcast in 2023.

    I just found a breadcrumb of what will undoubtedly be my favorite conspiracy theory to come out of this.

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      5 months ago

      I don’t think enough people talk about what a boon the trump tax cuts for the rich were for the major asset management corps.

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        5 months ago

        Who has time to worry about money and trickle-up economics when there could be trans ladies out there using the ladies’ room?!?!?

        /s

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          you kid, but I was literally talking to somebody yesterday and this would not be far off from a summary of the discussion.

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            Lol, from one point of view, true. But if your choice is either Nazi Capitalism or Pandering Capitalism, maybe we don’t have to relegate ourselves to bigotry so quickly. I mean, if we have to live in this late stage capitalist hellscape until the boomers and xgeners die, maybe we don’t have to throw Elon musk a welcome back apartheid party.

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      If you read the wiki comments there was someone questioning the relevance and thinking it should be removed before ending up a conspiracy theory lol

      Is television commercial appearance notable?

      “He is featured in a 2023 advertisement for BlackRock, an investment firm, that was filmed at his high school.” [12] -> CNN “What we know page”

      I can sort of see an argument for both sides

      but I also pretty much guarantee its gonna be a talking point on A. Jones’ show by end of this week if it stays in the article (maybe also if it doesn’t, but yeah)

  • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
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    Poor bastard. At 20, mental capacity is nowhere near its peak, and how bad must your life be if you are willing to throw it away for some obese self-tanning cream using orange dipshit? This is what happens when mental illnesses aren’t taken serious, and treatment is not easily available.

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      Well, let’s see

      Looks at everything on fire around us

      Yeah I have no clue what could have caused his life to be bad enough to do something like that!

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        I think you misunderstood. I wasn’t saying I don’t see how people could have mental problems in this world. That was a rhetorical question, observing that the poor bastard was obviously very broken / brainwashed / ill / whatever.

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      You’ve managed to identify the highly effective, yet morally reprehensible strategy for military recruitment. Get young men when they are at peak testosterone, but have limited pre-frontal cortex development.

    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee
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      5 months ago

      He doesn’t have to be exploited by his boss or landed lord anymore.

      Peace someday. Hope yall find yours in this life not the next.

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    5 months ago

    I knew it would be some red-hat lunatic. I fucking knew it the second I heard about it. But if course the Republican Nazi party are going to hammer out some left wing conspiracy horseshit using their usual tactful strategy. Which is to say scream the lies loudly, consistently, and in lockstep.

    Which is, of course, is the best tactic to convince gullible idiots of anything. It’s literally the “firebrand preacher” method that has been slaughtering “the other” in times of strife since the dawn of civilization.

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      The conspiracy might focus on the “donated to Biden” thing. Ignoring that there’s a guy with the same name who is a left leaning organizer a few counties over, and the donation was in 2021, when the shooter was 17 and not legally able to donate to a candidate.

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          It’s a legally gray area at best. Which is why ACT BLUE, the organization donated to, does not accept donations from people under 18.

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      I just jumped to this tab from the one about the project that let you type in morse code by opening and closing your laptop and thought you were talking about RedHat Linux for a second and was like “I mean a lot of people don’t like RedHat, but calling them Nazis because they wrote a weird script is a bit extreme”

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        Sure, at first, they’re just slamming their laptops shut to write morse code… but how long until it’s a cell door that they’re slamming? It’s a slippery slope.

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    I’m actually incredibly excited to hear how the Conspiracy peddlers spin this, we’ll study this level of crazy forever.

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      I was told “he’s from Pennsylvania, he’s registered as a republican, but he’s a democrat. You see, the democrats have been voting as republican so they can vote on the republican ticket for Trumps enemies”

      I just can’t. I’m not looking forward to work this week.

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      5 months ago

      I have heard some internet talking head turn their “democracts say fascist, make democrats shoot trump” into “democrats say fascist, even make republicans shoot trump”.

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        Ah, a very selective recognition of stochastic terrorism. Except it doesn’t quite fit because calling Repubs fascist isn’t a lie.

        It sure is easier to convince Repubs to shoot since they are already brainwashed. Too bad it is hard to direct them at people who deserve it instead of shoppers and nightclub attendees.

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            There are plenty of people who deserve it. Oil barons lying about climate so that they can continue to profit at the expense of millions of lives. Insurance barons lying about healthcare so that they can continue to profit at the expense of everyone’s wellbeing.

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              Pass better laws. Get better lawyers. Elect better politicians. You only think murder is an option because you suck at all of the sane ways to handle things.

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                That brings up a good point. Murdoch and everyone brainwashing people with propaganda to the point that they allow Repubs to obstruct all progress so they can profit also deserve it as much as the Repubs obstructing all progress.

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                  This has got to be the dumbest thing I have seen all day. Murdering people should not be an option. Enjoy your visit with the feds.

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    There is so much that is unknown. Everything about his true motives will, likely, be speculation forever. But it’s best to let the FBI be the one that does the information reveal.

    This kid was 20 though. He might have had psychosis. Last presidential assassination attempt was Hinkley. This is around the age things like schizophrenia start to present themselves IIRC. This might have been a suicide by cop type situation and he wanted to be famous in the process? Who the hell knows.

    What if we had a law that you had to be 21 to buy guns though? That’s in line with “common sense” gun control. I’ve heard Obama say that phrase countless times since Sandy Hook. It could have made this a little different, maybe? It almost certainly would have prevented Uvalde. This is political violence, it’s horrible, I think this will help Trump win. Any left leaning person with half a brain can see that imo. This is also gun violence though. Gun control has to part of the answer to this. Remember who the Brady Bill was named after.

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      I understand the sentiment but I’d be a fan of having an adult age across the board.

      If you can be drafted, you should be able to drink, buy guns, rent cars, vote, etc. That should all be at the same age, whatever that age is.

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        Couldn’t agree more. Let’s make the adult age a nice even 20 and call it a day.

        (Or ideally 25 if you want to be more realistic about it, given the rate that people mature at, but I have a feeling that would be extremely unpopular.)

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          I think 25 is far too old. We already have a problem of not letting teenagers learn to become an adult. Yes you’re going to make stupid decisions in your early 20s, you’re better off making a variety of stupid decisions while you’re still maturing rather than waiting until you’ve finished before taking actions that have consequences.

          Also imagine being a 24 year old who either is expected to live with your parents or get an adult to cosign your lease. Or can’t vote. Or can’t decide to have certain medical procedures like an abortion without parental permission. We’ve become far too comfortable with the idea we need to legally disenfranchise young people further.

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        You can legally rent a car at 18, it’s just that no company wants to rent to you.

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        Yeah, and I generally think it should be 18. Some rights should come sooner such as medical autonomy and Romeo and Juliet style consent, but once you hit the age of adulthood you’re legally an adult

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      By all reports, his father bought the gun. While I agree with them, your suggestions would have done literally nothing in this situation.

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      But it’s best to let the FBI be the one that does the information reveal.

      Sirhan Sirhan would vehemently disagree.

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      This kid was 20 though. He might have had psychosis. Last presidential assassination attempt was Hinkley. This is around the age things like schizophrenia start to present themselves IIRC.

      This is highly true and not something I’ve seen anyone bring up until now. It’s a good point and I think it actually might be pretty likely. Good job.

    • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.world
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      There’s been conflicting information. Trump’s right ear was bleeding, but the teleprompter was to his left (in front of him, but his head was currently turned right). If it was glass shrapnel, it should be the left of his face that was hit.

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        I mean, shrapnel can also ricochet, but I’m not sure what would’ve caused that in the immediate area around him really since there wasn’t really much behind him. The world may never know.

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    Sigh… Heard about this from my partner last night. I had forgot until just a few minutes ago (special thanks to alcohol for making life bearable). Looks like I have to stay off the internet for the rest of the year.

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    Well, when the tone police pipe up with their “but tha both sides [democratic] rhetoric!” - Democrats need to tell them that: yeah, the Republicans need to stop whipping up so much violence.

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    Just a damn kid. No wonder he missed. Probably expected some kinda aim assist to kick in

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      20 years old, he never owned a gun before, 130 yard shot, nicked the ear. Honestly he was closer than would have expected.

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        I totally agree. That’s not an easy shot to make, especially for someone who is not trained or experienced.

        He came absurdly close to changing the course of history.

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        lol:

        Crooks tried out for his school’s rifle team but failed to make it because he was a “comically bad shot” and made jokes deemed inappropriate with firearms around, two former classmates told The New York Post.

        He missed his target by close to 20ft, Jameson Murphy said.

        “He tried out…and was such a comically bad shot he was unable to make the team and left after the first day,” he added.

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          Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. I thought that the current theory was that his ear was cut by a glass shard from a teleprompter.

          Has that been disproven?

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              Newsmax is the only place actually reporting on it. All other articles I see talking about it use Newsmax as a source.

              Axios briefly offered validation on this theory, and then retracted.

              So I guess if you believe this, you would have to first consider Newsmax to be a credible source…

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    I can only imagine how disenfranchised this young man had to feel to be able to do this